Mickey Smith (Spoilers)So after the season finale of Torchwood 2, most speculation centered around rumors that Mickey Smith and Martha Jones would be joining the team. So who thinks Mickey would be a good edition. After seeing his interaction with Jack in the Doctor Who finale, I am fairly convinced he'll be great. The two actors seem to have good screen chemistry, and I really like Mickey. He can hack computers and save the world with over sized guns. I totally can believe in him and Jack as friends, and it will be an interesting dynamic. Considering that Mickey was probably in a leadership position in his world's version of Torchwood, and used to be jealous of Jack, it would be interesting to see how he handles working for him. I'm also interested in seeing the characters progression, if he's still out to prove himself. Here's a clip of Mickey and Jack's reunion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTVuZFAvmlU Submitted by Cameo (167 points) (39 posts) on Mon, 2008-07-07 21:34. |
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Mickey will bring some fun snarkiness to TW3
ITA I really like Mickey's dynamic with Cap'n Jack. Jack needs someone to give him a little shit and take him down a peg or two on occasion. I think it'll be great to have someone who's loyal to Jack but UNimpressed by him. Especially if Ianto, Gwen AND Martha are all gonna be making googly eyes at the Captain!
That was the best dialogue
Not dark enough
It would take all the
It would take all the meaning out of what happened if they retconned her death. I think is a show is going to be bold enough to kill off a main character, they need to stay dead or its a total cop out. I cried when Tosh died, that see, that whole was beautifully done. It would cheapen it if she came back. I also don't see any logical way they could bring her back.
I did love Tosh though. She was a very complex character. We need more female characters like Tosh because girls who are good at math and science aren't shone enough in the media. She also was a strong, capable woman, where as Gwen (dispte being a former cop) is a damsel in distriss who messes things up and is overly emotional to the point of letting emotions cloud her judgement. (all negative stereotypes about women). Torchwood, and TV in general needed a character like Tosh. However, I still don't want them to bring her back for the reasons given in my first paragraph.
As for Mickey not being dark. Well the Doctor Who universe is lighter than Torchwood, so we might not have seen his full character potential. Mickey does have potential to be darker. Look at Ricky who is basically Micky as he would have been given different circumstances. The potential to be a complete bad@$$. As for darkness, you'd think that the whole Rose thing would leave Mickey with some issues. He loves Rose, she splits for the Doctor, he waits around for her, and she always leaves with the Doctor. He comes along finally, and leaves for another universe because he feels he has no place with Rose and Doctor because he loves Rose and she loves the Doctor. That must have been really painful. He gave up his whole home universe, because was litterally nothing to hold him there.
Yet he still comes back later to try to save Rose. Because he is so in love with her. Then he ends up wirth her, back in the parralle universe, after saving her life. All she wants is to get back to the Doctor. All she wants is the Doctor. He's become a hero, probably a leader in alternate Torchwood is he's anything like Ricky was, and she still doesn't want him. He's still not good enough.
Then when Rose leaves to try to get back to the Doctor, he follows her along with Jacky to try to protect her. After how many times she has burnt him, and left him, he still loves her enough to risk everything to help her. Of course, after she's safe, he splits, no good bye. Because he realises he can never have her, he doesn't want to be in the same universe as her, because she's done him so wrong so many times.
So we have a man, a birlliant, sweet man, who is constantly being treated like he's worth nothing. Called an idiot by the 9th, ignored and disgarded by Rose who was willing to cheat on him with anyone who gave her the time of day, the Doctor, Jack, randum guys. Because no one has ever seen his true worth. There are so many issues with that which could be exsplored.
Also sense of belonging. He chose to leave this world to live in another, then chose to come back. Nothing really ties him anywhere, he doesn't belong anywhere. But he's still fighting, and keeping his spirit up. Or is it just a mask?
TThen, as I've already mentioned in my OP, there's also potential for conflict between him and Jack. Because Mickey was once jealous of Jack. Jack is everyone he wants to be. Jack is confident, heroic, dashing, and everyone knows it, he can get any girl or guy he wants. I think Mickey would love to be like that, and resents Jack on some level. If Mickey was leader in his universe's Torchwood, there might be some problems in our Torchwood where he has to take orders. Male egos clashing, Mickey out to prove that he's just as capable as Jack, Jack being a pretty stuborn man who has everyone else on his side because they're his team. How will Mickey react?
I also think lovable losers can work with darker story lines. Xander's storyline in Buffy got pretty dark, not nearly as dark as Willows, but still darkness is there, and can work.
Neither was Jack
The original Doctor Who Captain Jack was much more light-hearted than the hard-ass (or is it tight-ass? I always get those mixed up) Captain Jack from Torchwood. Characters change based on experiences and the target demographic of their shows. If Mickey were on Torchwood I'd wager they could write him a lot meaner than on Doctor Who.
I think he'd be an okay fit. I really rather have Martha, or ideally Martha and Mickey. This is partly because I think that Torchwood is still suffering from too much Gwen and that is a major weakness of the show. Gwen (blah-blah-blah), Rhys (Just stay inside, again, I'll be home later, I promise, again. blah-blah-blah), "normal" life (blah-blah-blah).
Torchwood never gets dark enough because they're still trying too hard to inject Gwen's "every(wo)man" perspective into things and we really don't need it thank you. The Doctor's companions adapt more quickly and with less fuss to getting dragged through space and time than Gwen has to battling aliens in her hometown.
We need Janto (for gay, sexy fun), Martha (to be the faboo fag hag when not probing dark science), Mickey (snarky, testy, shoots things, makes snide remarks about Janto) and Gwen (serving tea).
Although I've warmed to the
You're referring to the DW
You're referring to the DW magazine interview? Because that was months ago, before they knew anything about s3.
Now that they have read the first script, it looks like John's views have changed.
The link below contain short (separate) interviews with Barrowman and Gareth David-Lloyd, they were conducted at Comic Con just a few days ago.
http://popculturezoo.com/archives/903 (might be slightly spoilery)
Also check the reports from the press roundtable with ejecutive producer Julie Gardner (and Naoko Mori).
I think s3 being focused on the 3 remaining team members (and Rhys) is great.