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ATWT -- Luke/Noah SPOILERS For The Week of July 21 - UPDATED FOR THURSDAY'S SHOWSPOILER SPACE
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Luke and Noah plan a swim at Snyder Pond, but when Luke arrives, Holden and Carly are already there. Naturally, a bitter confrontation ensues and when all is said and done, Holden and Carly realize the damage their relationship has caused and they decide to end things. Later, Luke tells Noah he no longer believes love can last and has doubts about the future of their relationship. Noah insists they have what it takes to make it work. Luke counters with the elephant in the room, AKA, they haven't had sex yet, even though there's nothing really in their way. As it turns out, Noah is in their way, because even though he swears he loves Luke, he's not ready to have sex with him (you know, the grieving the dead father bit). Luke is touched by Noah's devotion to him. Meanwhile, in another part of Oakdale, 15 year old Parker Snyder loses his virginity.......
Submitted by Anthony D. Langford (4235 points) (831 posts) on Thu, 2008-07-17 10:14. |
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hmm
but hopefully the writers will suprise us and actually let them take it further. :)
I would be very surprised
I would be very surprised if Luke and Noah did anything more than hug next week. I would be happy if the show proved me wrong, but like I said in another thread, I think that Luke will bring up the topic and then they'll agree not to go through with it because the timing is somehow inexplicably wrong. Then they'll pat each other on the shoulders/faces and Parker and Liberty will make out.
If the writers or P&G had wanted to keep Luke and Noah from hitting the sheets, they shouldn't have stuck them in a relationship so quickly. It would have been better (or more believable anyway) if they'd been "just friends" all this time and were maybe afraid of crossing that boundary. But to make them actual boyfriends who live in the same house, and yet not having ANY kind of sex at all for TEN months... it's even more unbelievable than Carly almost drowning in four inches of oatmeal.
hmm
but hopefully the writers will suprise us and actually let them take it further. :)
Loretta Luke's lame dialog for next week!
When Loretta Luke tells Dimwit Noah that there is NOTHING preventing them from having sex, I almost fell out of my chair and was laughing my ass off! What a crock of sh*t! Doesn't Loretta know whose paying her wages? Surely this out of touch little queen knows that TPTB at ATWT are NEVER going to permit her or Dimwit from doing anything more on the Serta, but the jumping exercises!
P U L E E E E Z E!
Well...
I doubt that the show is actually saying 'hey, we think it's cool that a straight 15 year old kid can lose his virginity to a girl he barely knows while the gay guy can't get some from his boyfriend, who says he's not ready' but that's how it's gonna look'.....
My guess is that the show will say (and I suspect that after tomorrow's show airs, there will be plenty of people asking questions) that this story doesn't have anything to do with Luke and Noah's story (and well, it doesn't, anymore than Luke and Noah have to do with Paul and Meg) and that it's about the perils of neglectful, careless parenting and what trouble kids can get into when they're not being properly watched. And I suspect that in a few weeks, Liberty will discover she's pregnant in order to drive that point home. Soaps have told this story before. In fact, OLTL currently is now.
But I doubt Luke and Noah fans will much care about that.
I just want some honesty from TIIC - Seriously.
I know that the Nukers on the VH forum, will be spinning their thoughts in a frenzy, to try and come up with something to make them feel good for continuing to believe that TIIC are going to have Noah and Luke actually have some sex in the near future, but c'mon now.
I knew it. I just knew that TIIC would somehow find another way YET AGAIN to keep the "good gays" from actually having sex with each other. How in the world is it 'right and/or acceptable' for a 14 year-old and 16 year-old, who have only met each other 2 months ago, to be able to have SEX with each other, while two 18 and/or 19 year-old young men, who have been in a relationship for over 10 months, are still "waiting for the right time"?!
There's no way that anyone can make this make sense to me, other than actually ADMITTING the truth and saying that they can't have sex, because they're two men. Just be honest. Seriously.
Love me less, but love me a long time - Les Chansons D'Amour
Agree! Ten months of
But Luke and Noah can't because the timing is wrong, Noah is sad, they live in a house of No Residential Sex (with exceptions), etc etc. No one else waits for the time to be right, so why do they? It's a soap, let them do it at a bad time like everyone else!
the members of VH forum are on fire
I have been a member of Van Hansis' fan site (www.vanhansis.net) since last December and I have never seen this much activity over one spoiler. The fans are already agitated by this information. If it's true...they are going to be very unhappy tomorrow...unless a good explanation of Noah's behavior is given. I an not crossing my fingers about this. But you can see where the fans are with the desire for Luke and Noah to have a full loving relationship....not be two chaste (totally unrealistic) guys waiting for the right moment while the straight under 18 crowd is screwing like rabbits.
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I agree with Nukely in another thread.
Preteen Parker is gonna get laid long before his Uncle Luke ever does!!!
I mean, the TIIC at ATWT are not gonna allow a gay couple on their show have sex! No, no, no!
;{
I posted this 5 weeks and 6 days ago. And it didn't take a clairvoyant to figure it out either. I read the liveblogs and check Gays of Daytime to read about the ridiculousness, but I gave up the story Feb. 14, 2008. Cuz it sucks and its ridiculous and insulting! And its also ridiculous that we have to go online to Youtube to watch an intelligent thoughtful portrait of a gay relationship and that it has to come from overseas! Ah, to be in Germany!!! :[
And Yes I know its tacky to say it, but what the Hell ... Told You Sooooooooooooo!
"You bit the hand, Marty, You bit the hand!"
Guaranteed
mmm - I think you're going to turn out to be a bit premature with your "I told you sooooooooo"! :)
I predicted about three months ago (even before the second ever kiss) that they would have sex, and be shown in bed. Later I reiterated that prediction with my pledge to donate $500 to HRC if they DIDN'T have sex by the end of the year. (Yes, that's a VERY long time, but I've never said they were anything but glacial.) I'm reiterating that "guarantee" and pledge again. They will indeed have sex, and you read it here!
I know Danny will have to give me a vote of one for this, but seriously, it's been obvious for three months that ultimately having sex is inevitable. It's just a question of when. Yes, they've been delaying for sociological reasons, but it WILL happen. Guaranteed! :)
Puke nookie by the end of the year????!!!!!!!!!
C'mon Dennis, do you honestly think that the audience will still be around by the end of the year for your Puke nookie prediction? I really don't think so. Even if they remotely touch each other in their private areas, I don't even want to watch since Loretta will probably look as ridiculous as she does kissing Dimwit! If she does sex like she does kissing, what a turn-off!
With Pubescent Parker and the Teen Tramp now getting it on regularly, Puke will look even more sorry than they do now. This Puke trainwreck is nothing more than fluff to trot out on a limp viewing schedule to keep what meager audience they may still have. Doubtful that anyone will be around for the Christmas Puke bang-bang!
BTW...
Not to disappoint. I gave you your ONE vote for your psychic prediction! lol...
Hey, thanks for the ONE
Hey, thanks for the ONE vote! It's nice to know there are things in life we can depend on! :)
(Just to balance out the karma in the world I had to give you a ONE also. Though after they have sex, and my prediction is proven correct, I DO expect you to come back and change your vote to a five!)
Oh Hell!
Not that I really care whether they do "IT" or not...
but I'll give you your five. I shudder to think how robotic it's gonna look. Seeing as how Loretta can't kiss worth a damn, ya think she can do any better with the "act?" I seriously don't think so...
Maybe there are reasons we don't know as to why she hasn't gotten it on with the Dimwit!
You Have My Vote
With Noah, There Will Always Be Something...
Looking at the story that is presented before us, I understand why Noah isn't in the mood for sex, even though he was just recently. His father wasn't dead before. But he is now and Noah is still dealing with that... so I understand that. He's dealing with a lot right now. Frankly, I think Noah probably is suffering from severe depression and needs serious therapy and some drugs more than he needs to get laid. But since characters never go to therapy (though long time fans will recall there was a time when half the cast were in therapy, so much so you'd actually have characters passing by each other as one went to their appointment while the other was leaving), that's not an option.
However, I think Luke *does* need to get laid and he has dealt with enough. MORE than enough. Not just with Noah, but in his young life. Luke has seen more crap than Noah can only imagine and he's still one of the most together and sweetest guys in Oakdale. And unlike Noah, Luke doesn't use his problems to be a lousy boyfriend. And Luke has fought enough, struggled enough and sacrificed enough for this guy. After EVERYTHING Noah has put him through, now he's withholding sex? Even though it might be for a good reason, Noah, yet again, is not there for Luke when Luke really, really needs him. Noah is clearly not ready for a relationship and Luke would be doing themselves both a favor by ending it. They still be good friends and there's no need for Noah to move from the farm or what have you.
This is not about disliking Noah (not completely anyway), but Noah is proving, yet again, that he is incapable of giving Luke what he needs (and I don't mean just sexually because Luke needs emotional support and Noah can't give him that either) and it's time for Luke to find someone who can. And Noah can take the time (and it would take years to unravel that mess) to get himself together without the pressure of a relationship. He'd lose Luke, but that's the price to be paid, I guess.
Sex is the best anti-depressant
When I lost a loved one, sex was actually the only thing that made me feel better and stopped me from thinking. It also had the side effect of having someone sleeping in my bed and not waking up alone.
I can strongly recommend it for any form of depression. Maybe Noah should try it.
that speach
Luke shakes his head.
Lucinda, "It's Emma's house rule's? Why that makes any difference ..."
Luke, "No. We decided that's what or that's how we want it."
Lucinda, "Look at you, you're miserable. Do I have to give you the speech about how sex is a beautiful thing between two people who are in love?"
Luke, "Noah."
Lucinda, "what?"
Luke, "You should be giving that speech to him.".
Luke-Noah just insulting to the audience...
...at this point. It is extremely condescending to the audience that everyone else on the show hooks-up, breaks-up, f**ks-up, over and over, and yet these two are the glaring exception. At this stage, Noah has hooked up with a short-term girlfriend (Maddie) but not his long-term boyfriend (Luke, who should just be considered a male friend at this point).
P&G, the show's producers, should just start advertising their hand creams and tissue products whenever these two "gay" characters appear because obviously solo action is all they have been doing for months and months and months - unless Luke suddenly confesses to doing Reg on the side while sleepwalking or some other such absurdity. At least that would be interesting. The writers need to introduce some drama. Have Luke hire an escort to make up for Noah's E.D. problem. Have Luke become an escort in reaction to Noah's E.D. problem. Have Reg be his first customer! Long live Rukeg!
When I was Nuke's age the "right time" was --
about ten seconds after making contact.
But hey, I'm a hot tub slut, not a "Good Gay" like Nuke.
Now where did I put that Bel Ami DVD?
If you cannot find it ...
Name your studio and I've probably got it.
O.K., if you can't find your Bel Ami, just name your studio and I've probably got it! My favorites are Raging Stallion with some Kristen Bjorn, TitanMen, Falcon, Colt, SX, Treasure Island, Channel 1, Eurocreme, and sundry other product thrown in to keep it interesting.
Yea, I have DVDs from all of them. Being a former "towel guy" at the Baths, it's only right, isn't it? lol...
Getcher [name of studio] right here!
IML - Been there, done that!
dgchgo - I have been to IML several times over the past few years. Yep, been there, done that. I go whenever I am feeling my sleeziest! lol...
Some of the hottest men in the world seem to pop up there and I have never regretted going!
I had this feeling ...
Ok I have only been
Ok I have only been watching ATWT for like a week lol so I really don't know much about Luke and Noah! But isn't this Noah's first boyfriend? If so then I actually would see why they have not had sex some people just are not ready for that even after 10 months of dating... trust me I know. I've been out for over a year now and still no sex with a man because I'm not ready! I've actually had a boyfriend for 8months and we still didn't have sex... of course we broke up lol but still! My point is that it takes time before someone who has dated girls all of his life starts having sex with a guy... again trust me I know! (as I'm sure there are plenty of you know that too lol)
I Just Want Somebody to Love Me... I Just Need Somebody to Hold Me... Somebody to Love me.... The Chorus of a great song by my favorite artist "Kellie Pickler"
a new perspective
Dear Lucas --
I'm so glad to get your perspective on this. You're more qualified than most of us here at AE to see what Nuke's situation is like: a small town, a young man just about to go off to college, a first love here in the present day.
Many of us who came of age decades ago gave it up fast -- too fast? Who's to say? I don't regret very many of the experiences I had. I don't know if I'd do it differently today or not.
In the context of the soap, however, we do want Nuke to be treated equally to any of the str8 couples on the show.
I'm the same way...
Lucas - I echo dcghco in saying thanks for your perspective. I'm definitely like you in being more interested in the romance and the love, as opposed to the sex. It sounds really old fashioned, but to me sex isn't all that interesting if it's not an expression of love. And I don't mind waiting until things develop properly. I was like that at 18 and I'm still like that. The thing is, a lot of people (almost certainly a fairly large majority) don't see things that way or do things that way. What I've noticed that is unfortunate is that the larger group tends to assume that there is only one "proper" way to handle these situations, and you're deficient or defective if you don't want to do things that way. I'm totally cool with them doing whatever they want and feels right for them, but different people's emotional makeups mandate different reactions.
The fact that I relate to Luke and Noah in that regard is what has kept me from being upset about the slow pace. However, I totally understand why it completely frustrates others who simply would never act that way themselves.
Saving it for why?
Whether this is the way you are, or the way you have always been since you were 18, is beside the point. It is unusual, to say the least, to hold out having sex with someone unless you are saving it for marriage; it seems to suggest mistrust and neediness. If this gets in the way of me sharing a healthy relationship with a partner, then it's a problem. Note I used the word sharing, which involves two peoples volition, not just my own.
Judging
Judging the judgment
Yes, you've made it clear
Yes, you've made it clear over and over again that you respect neither me nor my opinions. Which is fine, since you're just a made-up name on a forum. But I do wish you didn't feel the need to "judge my judgments" over and over again. It's beginning to feel uncomfortably like a stalking.
I'm also having difficulty understanding why you feel you're qualified or have the right to tell Lucas how he should handle sex in his life. There simply is no one right way to react to the concept of sex or to integrate it into ones life. Different people interpret the meaning of sex, and its place in their lives, differently. Some people see it as nothing but a pleasurable activity that they should engage in as often as possible with anyone willing to partake (Brian Kinney). Others see it as the ultimate expression of love, a culmination of the building of a meaningful relationship over time, something almost magical. And, of course, there are people arrayed all along the spectrum between those two points. I respect the right of everyone to interpret and employ sex however they see fit, and I wish you could do the same. It seems so unfair and so unkind to Lucas to insist that because he sees sex differently than you do that he's a victim of shame. I say, kudos to Lucas for doing things his own way and in his own time.I'll try to avoid discussing "you", but ...
"Employ sex" you actually wrote "Employ" when you could have just as easily written "Enjoy." Sex can be an employment, but it's alot more gratifying when it's an enjoyment, and that is the kind of thing I try to impart.
Actually, I know there is love in Lucas, and I think there is love in you, too. When I wrote my message to him I was seeking my own heart, but trying to tell you both about what I found there. Sorry, I failed the one..
In a public forum....
....we all judge what the other posters say. That is kind of the point. Otherwise, why bother commenting on something in public if it is not part of a bigger discussion. I happen to know that both of you--Nukely and Dennis-- are very loving, thoughtful and amazing people. You just don't see that at all in each other's words here on this forum. What drives me the most crazy is I believe you are both much closer in your views that either would believe of the other.
Lucas has a right to his opinion, Dennis has the right to comment on it (which you did very respectfully in my opinion) and Nukely has the right to disagree with both of you. But you all do disagree on the topic of sex. It seems to be one of the most hotly debated topics in all of history! No wonder everyone is so emotional about it.
The biggest debate here, though, Lucas, seems to be whether this soap is depicting two young men in love with any kind of realism that shows respect to the gay community. And most of us don't think so. It really doesn't have anything to do with whether one should have sex on the first (second or third) date or wait until deep trust and love develops. It is much more about a show that has absolutely no morals when it comes to depicting straight sexual relations, and pretending that it does have morals in depicting the gay love story. It's a sham. It's cowardly of the producers and anyone else involved. What they are saying and what they are producing in this show are completely at odds and shows that TPTB are liars. It is very upsetting and hurtful to gay people and those of us that work for gay rights.
The best part of this forum is the education that I am getting on the minds of gay men and I do hope that everyone else that reads this is taking something positive away with them. Nukely...you have failed nothing. Speaking your heart is triumph.
I say we take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course.
I agree I think that the
I agree I think that the comment directed towards me were very respectful in trying to prove their point so I'm not hurt or mad at either of them for making their stance clear! I thank both of them for replying to my message and giving me meaningful, intelligent conversation!
I Just Want Somebody to Love Me... I Just Need Somebody to Hold Me... Somebody to Love me.... The Chorus of a great song by my favorite artist "Kellie Pickler"
Just stop it, please?
I live in a dangerous neighborhood; I don't like to go out at night. I don't go out at night. I have seen and been victum to horrible things. Please forgive me for wanting to be private about myself, even if you find that dubious.
Besides, there are few people on this site who give their full names. And to be honest, you have never given me a reason to want to confide in you. So please, stop with this.
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You don't fall in love
You don't fall in love every relationship you have so therefore just because you have a boyfriend does not mean you should have sex with him! I think sex is an expression of love and if love isn't in the relationship then neither should sex. Now I don't think that its the fact that Noah is waiting for Luke to prove his love but waiting until he is ready. I don't care how much I love my boyfriend I'm not going to have sex with him until I'm ready... just because half of the relationship is ready doesn't mean the other half is ready! For some people gay sex is a scary thing.. I know for me it is! Not scary in the sense is it going to hurt or whatever but more like am I ready for this... do I really think I can handle it! I completely understand about wanting them to be treated the same as the other couples on the show! But me myself and I am just fine with things the way they are but like I've said I haven't been watching for as long as any of you have!
I Just Want Somebody to Love Me... I Just Need Somebody to Hold Me... Somebody to Love me.... The Chorus of a great song by my favorite artist "Kellie Pickler"
A boyfriend is more than a boy friend
I can understand being afraid, being powerless and afraid can be a sign of true love. But being afraid also masks our ability to recognize shame. By that I mean, we would rather see the fear than confront the shame.
I haven't been watching the show for as long as I have been complaining about it. So, I will raise my hand when they ask at the Nuke convention, "who are the curmudgeons in the group?" One of the reasons that I am a curmudgeon about this show is because at first I believed that they were going to show me what it felt like to have somebody want to hold you and love you. And I relished that idea. When TPTB decided that that wasn't a worthy gain for a gay couple, I was hurt. Hurt enough to continue to write about it here.
I 100% see your point and
I 100% see your point and agree with your entire first paragragh.. lol at least I think I do! But I don't agree that because I've decided to wait to have sex until I feel I'm ready that I'm ashamed to be gay because that isn't the case at all! I'm very proud to be a gay man. For some people the adjustment into gay sex is easy but for others its hard and more personal not because they are ashamed but because its really truly scary to a young man that hasn't had any sexual experience with a guy at all. I have dated girls since I was in the 6th grade and have had sexual encounters with them from the ages of 15-17! The sex was ok and was filling my physical needs but no my emotional! When I started dating Rex my emotion needs were filled and I knew that was where I was supposed to be and even though we dated for 8 months I was not ready to have sex! Trust me I loved him and he loved me but I just wasn't ready to go to that level! While he was ready to have sex he didn't want me to feel pressured into thinking that I had to have sex with him so that he would stick around! He knew that just because one person in the relationship was ready doesn't mean he should try to rush me... that would be selfish of him!
I Just Want Somebody to Love Me... I Just Need Somebody to Hold Me... Somebody to Love me.... The Chorus of a great song by my favorite artist "Kellie Pickler"
Lucas, you deserve better--
Seriously, has no one here heard the news?
Soaps.com recently released a spoiler that suggests Luke and Noah will have sex within the next month. Several other sites have since released similar spoilers. Not that they're telling us anything that couldn't have easily been guessed. Next month is the one year anniversary of their historic first kiss. It's pretty fitting.
I have to say this. I come here all the time, I see people spewing bile over Luke and Noah's relationship, and it just... makes me incredibly sad.
I guess I side with the vast minority in my love of them. Yes, their development has been slow and repeatedly impeded, but that's because most of their drama has been externally influenced. Luke and Noah are meant to be a True Love (Eventually) Overcomes pairing, as opposed to your typical soap opera romance, so their storyline has to be more about a series of inconvenient circumstances than about them fighting all the time and eventually cheating on each other and other such soapy plot devices.
I understand that there have been obvious cases of censorship -- particularly with all of the cut-off kisses -- but things are really looking up now. In light of the fact that they're finally happy together again and moving forward in their relationship, why is it so difficult for people to be even slightly positive about it?
But, whatever! I'm obviously not going to reverse anyone's bitterness towards "Puke." Just thought I'd toss a little love into the hate pile.
Let's talk in a month...
c'mon now shizuma i was not
c'mon now shizuma i was not tured of because the boys have not had sex yet its the dodgy writing that is killing the couple, but i am slowly comming back to the show and if this keeps up i might follow it on a regular basis again.
For me its not that importend they acually show them having sex it would be enough (again for me i don't wanna speak for others)if they acknowleged they are indeed having some wild monkey sex :).
Of the top of my head i'm thinking of a scene where Noah trying to sneak into Luke bedroom only to get cought halfway by granny Snyder that would be very humorish.
The only thing i won't stand for is things like naked sailers or bedjumping,besides every1 knows that the only place halfnaked sailerboys that talk to strangers is the redlight district of Amsterdam.
Regarding the naked sailor.....