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ATWT - CASTING NEWS - UPDATED 10/17/08SPOILER SPACE
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Look out, Noah! You just might have some competition... Karl Girolamo, who played Kevin Davis, a couple of years back, is returning to the show next month. For those who may not remember, or weren't watching back then, Kevin was Luke's life long best friend and Luke was in love with him. When Luke came out and professed his love, Kevin soundly rejected him. But after Luke saved his life, Kevin apologized for being so cruel to Luke, but couldn't get over Luke being gay and ended their friendship. Kevin was last seen during prom night a little more than a year ago. Luke went with Maddie that night and declared himself over Kevin. A few weeks later, Noah Mayer came to town. But, that was then...... So why is Kevin back? And what impact will he have on Luke and Noah's relationship? The mind wanders.... Kevin will reappear in Oakdale on Monday, October 13th. UPDATE: Kevin won't be around long, according to the actor who plays him, and is slated to appear in a few episodes. Though how many episodes, over what period of time they will air and if there are future appearances on the agenda is unknown. In other casting news, Reg, played Mark Sullivan, is also returning to the show. He'll be back on Monday, October 13th, the same day Kevin comes back. Submitted by Anthony D. Langford (4235 points) (831 posts) on Sun, 2008-09-14 20:53. |
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Well, it's about time
Yeah but . . .
Maybe Kevin's already come out.....
and proud and determined to get Luke back into his life?! At least it's SOMETHING that might give some LIFE to the NUKE storyline.
Love me less, but love me a long time - Les Chansons D'Amour
Bad crush
Kevin was not only Luke's Crush (Luke has said several times that he's over him, so you know that means he's not) But Kevin was also his bad influence.
How about this. Noah is away. Luke is mopey. Kevin feels bad for the terrible way he acted when he came out and wants to make it up to Luke. So Kevin gets him drunk and pushes him to go to the nasty gay hot tub party. I mean "what are friends for if not to help you get laid." That's in keeping with Kevin's character.
Or, Kevin comes back and is "reformed." But he is really more of a crazy zealot who means well because he thinks he's saving his best friend's soul.
These are two possible plots that don't involve Kevin turning gay or catching 'gay' from Luke.
What I Want......
Interesting....I might just start watching the show again
Thanks for posting the information. I've heard about the 'infamous' Kevin for such a long time. I hope that his return, gives a good kick to jumpstart the NUKE storyline. I want to see Luke TORN between his first (and un-requited) love and his current, stable, but BORING love.
Love me less, but love me a long time - Les Chansons D'Amour
I might start watching again, too
The show has gotten so dreadful in the past year that I was reduced to watching just the Luke/Noah scenes; then those got so bad, that I gave up on the show altogether.
But if Kevin's return means 1) a genuine romantic triangle and/or 2) our boys finally get some action, I'll be there.
Of course, if they could also manage to bring back Eric William Morris as Matt, I'd be watching every day!
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Kevin's choice or Luke's disease?
The mention of turning Kevin gay turns my stomach; it would be the worst possible mistake that ATWT could make. Playing into two or more damaging stereotypes, (so it's a likelihood that P&GP would turn him gay without caring what that means to gays.) First it would be demonstrating that "being gay is a choice." They have spent a year and much of his plot arcs to demonstrate that for Noah it wasn't a choice. I would hate to see them undo that by having straight as an arrow Kevin suddenly turn gay or bi. It would make it look like a choice. Second, that being gay is contagious. Kevin was Luke's best friend. If he comes back and comes out, it will look like he became gay because of his previous association to Luke. What does Kevin say? "I always was gay" (contagious) or "I just realized I'm gay" (choice and/or contagious.)
I am all for Luke getting laid. The drama would be increased if it were with anyone but Noah. But, to turn Kevin gay sets back any good they might have done for gay rights and and dispelling stereotypes. It would prove that P&G are more interested in presenting the AFA's world view of homosexuality.
There are plenty of out and proud young gay men in the world that Luke can bed, ATWT has presented several at Oakdale U. Why must Kevin suddenly "turn" into one of them? And why must gay men always be so emotionally immature that we can never get over something like a puppy-love crush? Why do we jump to have every straight jock crush play out into a love affair? Can't we just be friends with straight boys we once had a crush on? I mean, at this point Luke might still love Kevin, but more like a brother. So, for drama, Kevin could manipulate that good will.
I'd like to see them establish Kevin as the bad boy, and then bring Jade back and the two of them can be like Bonnie and Clyde. Jade has the brains, Kevin the chutzpa.
A bit narrow-minded
Let them get the one thing right first.
I understand what love is and so do you. I am not saying that Kevin can't be gay or bi or neither. I am saying that this show, which has a crappy track record with Luke and Noah, will simply confuse the issue and reinforce negative stereotypes if they make Kevin gay. Pretty soon they'll have every man in Oakdale taking his turn at 'trying' gay.
I'd like to see a bi character in a soap like ATWT. But not someone who could be perceived as turning gay by his association to the established gay characters. I would love to see Vienna admit that she had a gay affair while she was working abroad (no pun intended) and then have that woman show up and almost ruin her relationship with Henry..
Cart before the horse
Upset?
Luke getting laid?
Laughing!
I have to admit I'm tempted to run over to z13 to see everyone's panties in a twist over this one. God they're prolly going crazy..."OMG...KEVIN deserves to DIE! He can't come between Luke and Noah...OMG...is Jake LEAVING the show???? Start a campaign!! SQUEE...DIE!"
But at this point, I think Kevin coming back is sorta like trying to answer the question of "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there does it still make a sound?" There are so many people who have left (myself included) because the whole Luke and Noah thing just got so disgusting and unbearable (although I'm also sick by the other plots on the show which also contributed). Kevin will obviously cause problems for the couple because there's no reason for him to come back otherwise. Whether it's cause he's gay or cause he just causes Luke to return to the darkside. Either way it's tired and reeks of desperation.
FYI...you can't have a real, old-fashioned love triangle if you haven't even established and/or explored the romance of the core couple to begin with. At this point, a lot of people just don't care whether Luke chooses Noah or Kevin which completely obliterates the point of a love triangle.
The writers haven't figuered out what to do w/ Luke and Noah and now they're trying to drum up interest by bringing Kevin back?? How about spending some time and energy fixing the non-couple that's already on the show.
Fix the couple .
z13?
AE: Best.Gay.Week.Ever.
One of the users complains that she used to read every article at AfterElton, "But now...their attitude and members have pushed me away and they lost me as a fan of that site." If you know these posters it's easy to gauge howmuch truth there is in their statement.
The main hating is flamed at the nicknames used for the live blog. "We (posters at vanhanis.net) are FAR more clever," one user snorts. This is like reading something written by The Onion. Maybe they are funnier.
I'm Puzzled....
did we ever get a background
Kevin's History
As far as Kevin's history. We know he had a really bad home life and didn't get along with his father. He spent a lot of time at the Snyders to avoid going home. His father drank a lot and there may have been some abuse. Kevin was terrified of male authority figures. I remember a specific scene with Holden when Holden was struggling with Luke being gay and he had figured that Luke was attracted to Kevin and the source of the problem (the famous backrub scene that started the entire story). He warned Kevin to stay away from Luke. Jack had witnessed that scene and told Holden he was going way overboard and that was when Holden told Jack that Luke might be gay. Anyway, Kevin was terrified of Holden and told Luke they couldn't be friends anymore because Holden might 'kill' him. But that was pretty much it in terms of Kevin's background. Fans hoped the show would delve more into it, but they never did.
I don't think it's a stretch at all to make Kevin gay. People forget we live in a world where gay people deny their sexuality for their entire lives, go to great lengths to hide it and even speak out or go things to hurt gay folks (preachers and politicians anyone?). Why anyone would think it's stretch for a confused teenage boy who called another boy who said he loved him a faggot and shoved him out of his life to be gay is beyond me. That said, I have no idea if that's what the show is planning or what they are going to do. So, we'll see.
I wouldn't bi it.
It isn't a stretch to make Kevin gay, and I certainly haven't forgotten the lengths that gay people have gone and continue to go to hide it including speaking out against. It isn't a stretch for a story to show a teenaged boy who rejects his true feelings. You're singing to the choir, because it is something many of us are painfully aware of. But why any one would think that ATWT could handle material like that skillfully and respectfully after the horrible mistreatment that ATWT has shown with the Luke and Noah characters is beyond me.
Just because they have screwed up the Luke and Noah story, and can't seem to get that right, doesn't mean they should drop that story line and start looking around Oakdale to see who else they can turn gay (or who might make the "choice" to be gay) so they can start a new love interest for Luke. I'm not writing this story so I can't give you the motives of the characters. But P&G have been ambiguous on this issue at best. Just because you would "like" to see them deal with an issue like this with a sensitive hand doesn't mean that P&G are even capable of that. In fact, they have proven otherwise. I believe that ATWT would only do the kevin comming out story for shock value not for a deep, touching twist on the comming out story.
It took them how many months and the entire Ameera story to establish that Noah is indeed Gay. Now, a distant character, who isn't even a secondary charater at this point, is going to come back so ATWT's writers can muddle up a comming out story about a boy who rejected the advances of his best friend, and was completely oblivious to the crush said friend had on him, and could only come to terms with his said friend's sexual orientation after he saved his life but suddenly he reviels 1 year later that he really rejected him because he was afraid of comming out himself and now after getting away from his abusive dad he has finally realized that he was always meant to be Luke's lover.
While that makes sense to me, and might make a touching gay tear jerker B movie, could you please put that plot into one concise sentance so I can explain it to my grandmother? I mean, she still wants to know "what it means" when gay boys jump on the bed.
Ameera Storyline Had nothing to do with Noah's Sexuality
Noah was firmly and adamantly GAY and OUT long before Ameera even came onto the scene. Noah made it clear to Ameera that he had no sexual desire for her and that he was in love with Luke repeatedly. There wasn't even a hint of him wanting Ameera.
Noah was obviously fucked up by all that had happened with his father and felt responsible for Ameera and saw his helping her out as a way to make up for the crap his father had done (for which he felt tremendous guilt and shame) and a way to continue whatever good his father had done with Ameera and her family.
I'm not saying his logic makes sense, I'm just saying that's what the writers told us and wanted us to believe.
Lots of gay men have married women for citizenship, it's just usually their own citizenship that's the issue, it doesn't make them any less gay. (AGAIN, I'M NOT JUSTIFYING THE AMEERA STORY LINE, IT WAS RIDICULOUS)
Noah was very clear with the his father and anyone who'd listen that he was Gay (he even made it clear that he'd known for a long time and suspected that his father did as well).
Which is one of the main reasons why their not having had sex is all the more INSANE!! not matter what the writers have Noah say now.
Noah wanted to have sex with luke 3 different times while he was living in the cottage. Twice while Ameera was still around and once after she'd left. He suggested they get their own apartment so they could be "alone" together more times then I could count. He even wanted to do it in the tent!
One time he wanted to do it while Ameera was standing outside the bedroom door knashing her teeth and wringing her hands and it was Luke who freaked and bailed.
I guess I'm saying all of this to make the point that despite what has happened to the story, one of the things that I loved about this story is that once Noah was out of the closet, there was no real question about his sexuality and his desire to have sex with Luke was communicated very clearly and overly and I thought that was a big step for a daytime show (not big enough granted).
Various and sundry cock-blocking techniques not withstanding.
Little Boy Love, How Cute.
You missed my point again, darcolover55. My point isn't that you or I needed several months and the Ameera story to prove Noah was gay, but that P&G believed that a certain part of their viewers, who I call the grandma's, did. The Grandma's expected Noah to grow out of it or that Noah had been corrupted by his association with gay Luke. If the Ameera story line did anything positive it was to establish with out a doubt that Noah is gay. I do want to give ATWT credit for that. I do.
Both Noah and Luke have been given many chances to prove that they have reservations about having sex; each have agreed to several weird reasons to accept an easy cock-block. I don't buy any of it as a character trait: it's just part of the ban on gay intimacy.
While I agree that both characters have talked about having sex, the talk has always been timid and coy. Little boys and little girls say the same kinds of things about sex, you don't take it seriously. Just like you don't take their love seriously. Unless you're into that kind of thing; which some people find sick..
What's most hilarious is,
Soap Fans are Notorious
Soap fans are notorious for being as over the top as the shows they watch. z13 is no different. I just went back today to check up and you're right about the irony, they don't want love, they don't want a story. They want Luke and Noah. Well, that's what we all have been promised. It's hard to blame them. But will they be royaly pissed if they aren't give that? It's unlikely. They will make excuses if just to save themselves.
The Admins at the fan sites act like they believe that they have the right to control what people say and think about this show. Why? Maybe because anyone who disagrees with them are in league with the meanies and should be scratched to death?
Well, they do have control of their own fan sites -and I say good enough for that. Really. But if Luke and Noah are dropped from ATWT, (EEEEEK!!!!! Gawd forbid!!!! BITE MY TOUNGE ;-), these zealots will be left with nothing. Empty, because they have invested their entire personality into being a Nuke fan. Life without Nuke would be a void, so they seem to go to any lengths to preserve their virtual fiefdoms. What I believe they really hate about AfterElton is that someone like me is allowed to be critical in the comment section and the Nuke Zealots can't give me the boot. That has to be frustrating.
Totally Agree!
Everything you've said thus far (about z13 and ATWT) is completely true.
As for z13...I love how they go on and on about how supportive they are of the gay community but their actions say anything but. What they support is the fantasy of this couple and this couple only and it's based soley on the actors who play them; they don't really understand, or care, about the significance and importance of continuing to support this dreadful, non-gay couple. They're willing to have Luke and Noah on less because Kevin's coming back but don't mind the atrocious storylines which have done nothing to further the romance between the two??? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They could care less if this show has completely twisted and neutered two young gay men to the point that if they didn't have some sort of "gay" crisis every epi they're on, we wouldn't know they were gay! And it's painful to know that the admin is a gay man himself...he should know better. But unfortunately the site was structured to be a fansite for Van Hansis so anything that isn't rainbows and unicorns is seen as a jab against him, which anyone with common sense would know is ridiculous, including him. I love Van Hansis and wish the show would give him something to do besides meddle in his middle aged parents upteenth battle and pine over an ass of a boyfriend who has yet to grow the hell up. As long as people continue to act like nothing's wrong, the show knows it can get away with awful dreak and some people will continue watching.
The show can't write good storylines period...for anyone. The show is an absolute dump heap right now and Luke and Noah contribute to that. The whole show is being written into the gutter and I'm not sure that anything (save a new Head Writer and Ex Prod and new owner) can save it. Bringing back Kevin and then having him go through a process of coming out (if that's the s/l) is so been there done that and it's obvious they don't have the balls to continue a s/l like that to it's logical conclusion so why bother? It would make more sense to have him come back and set up an unconventionial triangle centering on the fact that he's not gay, he's just a trouble maker and wants Luke in the gutter with him. That would, in theory, pull Noah's head out of his ass to start fighting for this relationship. However, the show hasn't even established that this relationship is worth fighting for so what's the purpose? In fact, is there a relationship?
I will say that I'm curious to see what the s/l is and I need to @ least catch up w/ it so a certain greyhound doesn't kick my ass. But I'm not excited about it anymore. I don't care. And that's the worst part about it. I used to care a lot. I went to the ATWT luncheon, I went to SoapFest, hell I even bid on a trip to tour the ATWT studios (was it fortutious that I tore my ACL and can't go right now?). But now I'm like what's the point? The only reason I'd go now is to see my friends that I made when I was excited about the show and was connecting w/ people based on that.
There was an interesting forum on here somewhere about the question of "just because it's gay does it obligate us to watch it?" The answer should be a resounding hell to the no, especially if so many people are feeling used and betrayed by what was promised and what's been given thus far.
Hell to the no says it.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. But I do respect the Admin's opinion even if it makes me cringe. Because it is an opinion. A rare thing on the fan sites. He would do better to allow dissent and discussion, because it's the best way to preserve an argument. He seems to be totally unable to do that. Too bad for Van.
Listen, I love Van too, but his isn't the only fan site to try to squash all "unsanctioned" criticism of the show. Other fan sites do it as well. The show has nothing to do with gay rights for them or anything to do with presenting a gay couple equally and inclusively. It only serves that group in getting their rocks off. And part of that is belonging to the glee club and being the secretary or president or administrator of the glee club. At that point gay rights are subsidiary or obliterated. I mean, the attitude is "we are for Luke and Noah, so how can you possibly question that we are not for gay rights?" Even if Luke and Noah are the embodiment of the AFA. There's a lack of jurisprudence at these sites. They end up only having one of two defenses: the pep rally or trash and burn anyone who disagrees.
"However, the show hasn't even established that this relationship is worth fighting for so what's the purpose? In fact, is there a relationship?"
Can't say it better.
It's Not Suprising Though......
So Reg is coming back?
You guys get on with your interesting debate. I sort of agree with you but I can't get that much testerone/estrogen up for it. I do feel that I can't get into the "conspiracy to cut out Nuke theory". You have a marginally interesting soap - certainly not as well-scripted as VL (which is sooo hot nowadays with Consatin moving in and the blonde bombshell thrown into the mix - now THAT is potential!
But if Reg comes back it might make a real difference. To hell with Kevin whatever he might be - we know Reg and I think he will fit into Luke's exploring his "gaydom" s/l. Maybe not a romantic interest but maybe a "politically gay interest" to help Luke with his personal issues about being gay! Wouldn't that be better?
Although I have to say that is just a wish on my part!