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Look out, Noah!  You just might have some competition...

Karl Girolamo, who played Kevin Davis, a couple of years back, is returning to the show next month.

For those who may not remember, or weren't watching back then, Kevin was Luke's life long best friend and Luke was in love with him.  When Luke came out and professed his love, Kevin soundly rejected him.  But after Luke saved his life, Kevin apologized for being so cruel to Luke, but couldn't get over Luke being gay and ended their friendship.  Kevin was last seen during prom night a little more than a year ago.  Luke went with Maddie that night and declared himself over Kevin.  A few weeks later, Noah Mayer came to town.  But, that was then......

So why is Kevin back?  And what impact will he have on Luke and Noah's relationship?  The mind wanders....

Kevin will reappear in Oakdale on Monday, October 13th.  

UPDATE:  Kevin won't be around long, according to the actor who plays him, and is slated to appear in a few episodes.  Though how many episodes, over what period of time they will air and if there are future appearances on the agenda is unknown. 

In other casting news, Reg, played Mark Sullivan, is also returning to the show.  He'll be back on Monday, October 13th, the same day Kevin comes back.

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isoron's picture

Well, it's about time

God something has to kick this stale relationship in the cajones!
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Cat's picture

Yeah but . . .

. . . a straight boy? Please not another tortured "coming out" if that's why they're bringing Kevin back. No more of that crap!
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dkellergrl2001's picture

Maybe Kevin's already come out.....

and proud and determined to get Luke back into his life?! At least it's SOMETHING that might give some LIFE to the NUKE storyline.

Love me less, but love me a long time - Les Chansons D'Amour

rschlem's picture

Bad crush

Kevin was not only Luke's Crush (Luke has said several times that he's over him, so you know that means he's not) But Kevin was also his bad influence.

How about this. Noah is away. Luke is mopey. Kevin feels bad for the terrible way he acted when he came out and wants to make it up to Luke. So Kevin gets him drunk and pushes him to go to the nasty gay hot tub party. I mean "what are friends for if not to help you get laid." That's in keeping with Kevin's character.

Or, Kevin comes back and is "reformed." But he is really more of a crazy zealot who means well because he thinks he's saving his best friend's soul.

These are two possible plots that don't involve Kevin turning gay or catching 'gay' from Luke.

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Anthony D. Langford's picture

What I Want......

Let's hope that Kevin isn't here to 'save' Luke's soul or some such nonsense.  I think the boys have had enough drama of the bigoted kind.  Give me a good old fashioned romantic triangle to give this story a much needed kick in the pants.  Here's hoping that Kevin is gay and out and proud and still has those same bad boy tendancies that Luke can't help but be drawn to given his history with Kevin.  Longtime viewers will remember that Luke used to be a bit of a bad seed himself and it would be great to see the show tap into that.  I'm not saying the Luke has to cheat on Noah (though it would be a throwback to history since Luke's mom Lily lost her virginity to Dusty, yet she was in love with Holden), but there has to be a viable threat to the relationship.  Otherwise, what's the point?
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dkellergrl2001's picture

Interesting....I might just start watching the show again

Thanks for posting the information. I've heard about the 'infamous' Kevin for such a long time. I hope that his return, gives a good kick to jumpstart the NUKE storyline. I want to see Luke TORN between his first (and un-requited) love and his current, stable, but BORING love.

Love me less, but love me a long time - Les Chansons D'Amour

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Joseph's picture

I might start watching again, too

The show has gotten so dreadful in the past year that I was reduced to watching just the Luke/Noah scenes; then those got so bad, that I gave up on the show altogether.

But if Kevin's return means 1) a genuine romantic triangle and/or 2) our boys finally get some action, I'll be there.

Of course, if they could also manage to bring back Eric William Morris as Matt, I'd be watching every day!

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rschlem's picture

Kevin's choice or Luke's disease?

The mention of turning Kevin gay turns my stomach; it would be the worst possible mistake that ATWT could make. Playing into two or more damaging stereotypes, (so it's a likelihood that P&GP would turn him gay without caring what that means to gays.) First it would be demonstrating that "being gay is a choice." They have spent a year and much of his plot arcs to demonstrate that for Noah it wasn't a choice. I would hate to see them undo that by having straight as an arrow Kevin suddenly turn gay or bi. It would make it look like a choice. Second, that being gay is contagious. Kevin was Luke's best friend. If he comes back and comes out, it will look like he became gay because of his previous association to Luke. What does Kevin say? "I always was gay" (contagious) or "I just realized I'm gay" (choice and/or contagious.)

I am all for Luke getting laid. The drama would be increased if it were with anyone but Noah. But, to turn Kevin gay sets back any good they might have done for gay rights and and dispelling stereotypes. It would prove that P&G are more interested in presenting the AFA's world view of homosexuality.

There are plenty of out and proud young gay men in the world that Luke can bed, ATWT has presented several at Oakdale U. Why must Kevin suddenly "turn" into one of them? And why must gay men always be so emotionally immature that we can never get over something like a puppy-love crush? Why do we jump to have every straight jock crush play out into a love affair? Can't we just be friends with straight boys we once had a crush on? I mean, at this point Luke might still love Kevin, but more like a brother. So, for drama, Kevin could manipulate that good will.

I'd like to see them establish Kevin as the bad boy, and then bring Jade back and the two of them can be like Bonnie and Clyde. Jade has the brains, Kevin the chutzpa.

 

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ktranel's picture

A bit narrow-minded

The idea that if you're attracted to women you're only straight and if you're attracted to guys your only gay is a very old and IMO useless remark. Love is love, attraction is attraction, and to say that every person in the world figures out that they are gay or bi at an early age is very naive. I don't know how to construe Kevin liking Luke as him "turning" gay. Anyone who knows anything about love as a chemical and biological process wouldn't even consider it (can you control select parts of your brain and input and output of hormones). The only way I would think that the writers would screw this up big time is to make Kevin gay(in all sense of the word); as you pointed out Kevin has a straight side and to ignore that would completely rewrite his character. But to say that he can't be attracted to Luke and also be attracted to women is as stereotypical as saying gay people are all wimps.
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rschlem's picture

Let them get the one thing right first.

ATWT has been absent from showing the subtleties of Luke and Noah's relationship. Why all the cock blocking? It isn't obvious except that they don't believe that the grandma's are ready yet to wrap their minds around the idea of gay sex? That seems to be the current argument. You are completely missing the mark here Janto4ever, ATWT in particular and daytime soaps in general work with a very broad brush. Many of their viewers are quick to see the world in absolutes and stereotypes.

I understand what love is and so do you. I am not saying that Kevin can't be gay or bi or neither. I am saying that this show, which has a crappy track record with Luke and Noah, will simply confuse the issue and reinforce negative stereotypes if they make Kevin gay. Pretty soon they'll have every man in Oakdale taking his turn at 'trying' gay.

I'd like to see a bi character in a soap like ATWT. But not someone who could be perceived as turning gay by his association to the established gay characters. I would love to see Vienna admit that she had a gay affair while she was working abroad (no pun intended) and then have that woman show up and almost ruin her relationship with Henry..

 

seanb's picture

Cart before the horse

I think we're getting WAAAYYY ahead of ourselves here.  The only thing we know is that Kevin is coming back.  There's no indication that he'll be gay, or "turn" gay.  Let's just wait and see how they handle things before we get all upset about it.
rschlem's picture

Upset?

Oh sweet seanb, if you think I'm being upset, you haven't been here very long _:-)______:

 

Cammtl's picture

Luke getting laid?

Luke and Noah love each other.  That's a definite.  They've been together for nearly a year.  There was 200 days between 2nd and 3rd kiss.  Kevin comes back and has Luke in the sack that quick.  That just doesn't wash..  Let Noah and Luke have sex then let a triangle begin.  We've seen in the past that the spoilers aren't always accurate.  Don't break up Luke and Noah spruce them up.
LoTr1985's picture

Laughing!

I have to admit I'm tempted to run over to z13 to see everyone's panties in a twist over this one.  God they're prolly going crazy..."OMG...KEVIN deserves to DIE!  He can't come between Luke and Noah...OMG...is Jake LEAVING the show????  Start a campaign!!  SQUEE...DIE!"

But at this point, I think Kevin coming back is sorta like trying to answer the question of "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there does it still make a sound?"  There are so many people who have left (myself included) because the whole Luke and Noah thing just got so disgusting and unbearable (although I'm also sick by the other plots on the show which also contributed).  Kevin will obviously cause problems for the couple because there's no reason for him to come back otherwise.  Whether it's cause he's gay or cause he just causes Luke to return to the darkside.  Either way it's tired and reeks of desperation. 

FYI...you can't have a real, old-fashioned love triangle if you haven't even established and/or explored the romance of the core couple to begin with.  At this point, a lot of people just don't care whether Luke chooses Noah or Kevin which completely obliterates the point of a love triangle. 

The writers haven't figuered out what to do w/ Luke and Noah and now they're trying to drum up interest by bringing Kevin back??  How about spending some time and energy fixing the non-couple that's already on the show. 

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Cammtl's picture

Fix the couple .

I agree.  Give Luke and Noah a storyline of their own first.  Let them have sex first.  Then attempt a good storyline.  Hell bring back the Colonel.
rschlem's picture

z13?

I don't think I've been to the site since February 14th when they were in bunker mentality, expelling users, locking posts and rejecting new registrations. They still are unable to sustain healthy criticism or take a joke. I just read one hiss fit about AfterElton.

AE: Best.Gay.Week.Ever.
One of the users complains that she used to read every article at AfterElton, "But now...their attitude and members have pushed me away and they lost me as a fan of that site." If you know these posters it's easy to gauge howmuch truth there is in their statement.

The main hating is flamed at the nicknames used for the live blog. "We (posters at vanhanis.net) are FAR more clever," one user snorts. This is like reading something written by The Onion. Maybe they are funnier.

 

Anthony D. Langford's picture

I'm Puzzled....

I don't get it.  If Kevin comes back and he's gay (and I'm not saying he is because I don't know what the storyline is so this is ALL speculation) it's a message that Luke turned him or it rubbed off on him?  I seem to recall there was a time when Noah claimed he was straight and dated women and rejected Luke.  But it turned out Noah was gay, always had been and was only denying the truth.  It couldn't be the same for Kevin (only Kevin is ALOT more well adjusted and happy with himself than Noah is, hence part of the conflict)?
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Maryann1970's picture

did we ever get a background

did we ever get a background story on kevin? maybe they could write kevin being confused in the head before luke, and was just able to hide it REALLY well. but it would be a stretch seeing as how he called luke a faggot infront of everybody, maybe they can make him bisexual whos ashamed of his gay side. it would make sense b/c he chose the comfortable route, and probably just got pissed off because luke just brought out those uncomfortable feelings that he's always been afraid to deal with, thus causing the outburst towards luke, not to mention he got drunk as well( I could see a dad getting drunk, but a best friend?). but I dont know, Im stretching, thats just one idea of how to write him in  so he could be with luke. oh god, what if kevin is a tie to that guy that lucinda is supposed to be with, along with the girl who won inturn who are all against gays? Im so sick of cop outs.
Anthony D. Langford's picture

Kevin's History

As far as Kevin's history.  We know he had a really bad home life and didn't get along with his father.  He spent a lot of time at the Snyders to avoid going home.  His father drank a lot and there may have been some abuse.  Kevin was terrified of male authority figures.  I remember a specific scene with Holden when Holden was struggling with Luke being gay and he had figured that Luke was attracted to Kevin and the source of the problem (the famous backrub scene that started the entire story).  He warned Kevin to stay away from Luke.  Jack had witnessed that scene and told Holden he was going way overboard and that was when Holden told Jack that Luke might be gay.  Anyway, Kevin was terrified of Holden and told Luke they couldn't be friends anymore because Holden might 'kill' him.   But that was pretty much it in terms of Kevin's background.  Fans hoped the show would delve more into it, but they never did.

I don't think it's a stretch at all to make Kevin gay.  People forget we live in a world where gay people deny their sexuality for their entire lives, go to great lengths to hide it and even speak out or go things to hurt gay folks (preachers and politicians anyone?).  Why anyone would think it's stretch for a confused teenage boy who called another boy who said he loved him a faggot and shoved him out of his life to be gay is beyond me.  That said, I have no idea if that's what the show is planning or what they are going to do.  So, we'll see.

rschlem's picture

I wouldn't bi it.

It isn't a stretch to make Kevin gay, and I certainly haven't forgotten the lengths that gay people have gone and continue to go to hide it including speaking out against. It isn't a stretch for a story to show a teenaged boy who rejects his true feelings. You're singing to the choir, because it is something many of us are painfully aware of. But why any one would think that ATWT could handle material like that skillfully and respectfully after the horrible mistreatment that ATWT has shown with the Luke and Noah characters is beyond me.

Just because they have screwed up the Luke and Noah story, and can't seem to get that right, doesn't mean they should drop that story line and start looking around Oakdale to see who else they can turn gay (or who might make the "choice" to be gay) so they can start a new love interest for Luke. I'm not writing this story so I can't give you the motives of the characters. But P&G have been ambiguous on this issue at best. Just because you would "like" to see them deal with an issue like this with a sensitive hand doesn't mean that P&G are even capable of that. In fact, they have proven otherwise. I believe that ATWT would only do the kevin comming out story for shock value not for a deep, touching twist on the comming out story.

It took them how many months and the entire Ameera story to establish that Noah is indeed Gay. Now, a distant character, who isn't even a secondary charater at this point, is going to come back so ATWT's writers can muddle up a comming out story about a boy who rejected the advances of his best friend, and was completely oblivious to the crush said friend had on him, and could only come to terms with his said friend's sexual orientation after he saved his life but suddenly he reviels 1 year later that he really rejected him because he was afraid of comming out himself and now after getting away from his abusive dad he has finally realized that he was always meant to be Luke's lover.

While that makes sense to me, and might make a touching gay tear jerker B movie, could you please put that plot into one concise sentance so I can explain it to my grandmother? I mean, she still wants to know "what it means" when gay boys jump on the bed. 

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darcolover55's picture

Ameera Storyline Had nothing to do with Noah's Sexuality

Noah was firmly and adamantly GAY and OUT long before Ameera even came onto the scene. Noah made it clear to Ameera that he had no sexual desire for her and that he was in love with Luke repeatedly.  There wasn't even a hint of him wanting Ameera.

Noah was obviously fucked up by all that had happened with his father and felt responsible for Ameera and saw his helping her out as a way to make up for the crap his father had done (for which he felt tremendous guilt and shame) and a way to continue whatever good his father had done with Ameera and her family.

I'm not saying his logic makes sense, I'm just saying that's what the writers told us and wanted us to believe.

Lots of gay men have married women for citizenship, it's just usually their own citizenship that's the issue, it doesn't make them any less gay. (AGAIN, I'M NOT JUSTIFYING THE AMEERA STORY LINE, IT WAS RIDICULOUS)

Noah was very clear with the his father and anyone who'd listen that he was Gay (he even made it clear that he'd known for a long time and suspected that his father did as well). 

Which is one of the main reasons why their not having had sex is all the more INSANE!! not matter what the writers have Noah say now.

Noah wanted to have sex with luke 3 different times while he was living in the cottage. Twice while Ameera was still around and once after she'd left.  He suggested they get their own apartment so they could be "alone" together more times then I could count. He even wanted to do it in the tent!

One time he wanted to do it while Ameera was standing outside the bedroom door knashing her teeth and wringing her hands and it was Luke who freaked and bailed.

I guess I'm saying all of this to make the point that despite what has happened to the story, one of the things that I loved about this story is that once Noah was out of the closet, there was no real question about his sexuality and his desire to have sex with Luke was communicated very clearly and overly and I thought that was a big step for a daytime show (not big enough granted).

Various and sundry cock-blocking techniques not withstanding. 

 

 

 

rschlem's picture

Little Boy Love, How Cute.

You missed my point again, darcolover55. My point isn't that you or I needed several months and the Ameera story to prove Noah was gay, but that P&G believed that a certain part of their viewers, who I call the grandma's, did. The Grandma's expected Noah to grow out of it or that Noah had been corrupted by his association with gay Luke. If the Ameera story line did anything positive it was to establish with out a doubt that Noah is gay. I do want to give ATWT credit for that. I do.

Both Noah and Luke have been given many chances to prove that they have reservations about having sex; each have agreed to several weird reasons to accept an easy cock-block. I don't buy any of it as a character trait: it's just part of the ban on gay intimacy.

While I agree that both characters have talked about having sex, the talk has always been timid and coy. Little boys and little girls say the same kinds of things about sex, you don't take it seriously. Just like you don't take their love seriously. Unless you're into that kind of thing; which some people find sick..

 

BobbyBaby's picture

What's most hilarious is,

What's most hilarious is, after complaining (justifiably) for months about the lack of screen time for Nuke, many posters there are advocating for even less airtime, if the alternative is a viable other love interest for Luke or Noah. Nothing apparently can be allowed to sully the perfection of the greatest love is soap opera history, what with there weekly 30 seconds of hand holding and all.
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rschlem's picture

Soap Fans are Notorious

Soap fans are notorious for being as over the top as the shows they watch. z13 is no different. I just went back today to check up and you're right about the irony, they don't want love, they don't want a story. They want Luke and Noah. Well, that's what we all have been promised. It's hard to blame them. But will they be royaly pissed if they aren't give that? It's unlikely. They will make excuses if just to save themselves.

The Admins at the fan sites act like they believe that they have the right to control what people say and think about this show. Why? Maybe because anyone who disagrees with them are in league with the meanies and should be scratched to death?

Well, they do have control of their own fan sites -and I say good enough for that. Really. But if Luke and Noah are dropped from ATWT, (EEEEEK!!!!! Gawd forbid!!!! BITE MY TOUNGE ;-), these zealots will be left with nothing. Empty, because they have invested their entire personality into being a Nuke fan. Life without Nuke would be a void, so they seem to go to any lengths to preserve their virtual fiefdoms. What I believe they really hate about AfterElton is that someone like me is allowed to be critical in the comment section and the Nuke Zealots can't give me the boot. That has to be frustrating.

 

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LoTr1985's picture

Totally Agree!

Everything you've said thus far (about z13 and ATWT) is completely true.

As for z13...I love how they go on and on about how supportive they are of the gay community but their actions say anything but.  What they support is the fantasy of this couple and this couple only and it's based soley on the actors who play them; they don't really understand, or care, about the significance and importance of continuing to support this dreadful, non-gay couple.  They're willing to have Luke and Noah on less because Kevin's coming back but don't mind the atrocious storylines which have done nothing to further the romance between the two???  That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  They could care less if this show has completely twisted and neutered two young gay men to the point that if they didn't have some sort of "gay" crisis every epi they're on, we wouldn't know they were gay!  And it's painful to know that the admin is a gay man himself...he should know better.  But unfortunately the site was structured to be a fansite for Van Hansis so anything that isn't rainbows and unicorns is seen as a jab against him, which anyone with common sense would know is ridiculous, including him.  I love Van Hansis and wish the show would give him something to do besides meddle in his middle aged parents upteenth battle and pine over an ass of a boyfriend who has yet to grow the hell up.  As long as people continue to act like nothing's wrong, the show knows it can get away with awful dreak and some people will continue watching.

The show can't write good storylines period...for anyone.  The show is an absolute dump heap right now and Luke and Noah contribute to that.  The whole show is being written into the gutter and I'm not sure that anything (save a new Head Writer and Ex Prod and new owner) can save it.  Bringing back Kevin and then having him go through a process of coming out (if that's the s/l) is so been there done that and it's obvious they don't have the balls to continue a s/l like that to it's logical conclusion so why bother?  It would make more sense to have him come back and set up an unconventionial triangle centering on the fact that he's not gay, he's just a trouble maker and wants Luke in the gutter with him.  That would, in theory, pull Noah's head out of his ass to start fighting for this relationship.  However, the show hasn't even established that this relationship is worth fighting for so what's the purpose?  In fact, is there a relationship?  

I will say that I'm curious to see what the s/l is and I need to @ least catch up w/ it so a certain greyhound doesn't kick my ass.  But I'm not excited about it anymore.  I don't care.  And that's the worst part about it.  I used to care a lot.  I went to the ATWT luncheon, I went to SoapFest, hell I even bid on a trip to tour the ATWT studios (was it fortutious that I tore my ACL and can't go right now?).  But now I'm like what's the point?  The only reason I'd go now is to see my friends that I made when I was excited about the show and was connecting w/ people based on that.   

There was an interesting forum on here somewhere about the question of "just because it's gay does it obligate us to watch it?"  The answer should be a resounding hell to the no, especially if so many people are feeling used and betrayed by what was promised and what's been given thus far.   

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rschlem's picture

Hell to the no says it.

"And it's painful to know that the admin is a gay man himself..."
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. But I do respect the Admin's opinion even if it makes me cringe. Because it is an opinion. A rare thing on the fan sites. He would do better to allow dissent and discussion, because it's the best way to preserve an argument. He seems to be totally unable to do that. Too bad for Van.

Listen, I love Van too, but his isn't the only fan site to try to squash all "unsanctioned" criticism of the show. Other fan sites do it as well. The show has nothing to do with gay rights for them or anything to do with presenting a gay couple equally and inclusively. It only serves that group in getting their rocks off. And part of that is belonging to the glee club and being the secretary or president or administrator of the glee club. At that point gay rights are subsidiary or obliterated. I mean, the attitude is "we are for Luke and Noah, so how can you possibly question that we are not for gay rights?" Even if Luke and Noah are the embodiment of the AFA. There's a lack of jurisprudence at these sites. They end up only having one of two defenses: the pep rally or trash and burn anyone who disagrees.

"However, the show hasn't even established that this relationship is worth fighting for so what's the purpose? In fact, is there a relationship?"

Can't say it better.

 

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Anthony D. Langford's picture

It's Not Suprising Though......

I've been around long enough that I knew from the moment I heard that Kevin was returning to the show that would be the reaction from a lot of Luke and Noah fans.   It's stunning that they would rather have them remain on the backburner than deal with the usual rigors of soap opera, which includes third parties or those out to split established couples.  They want them to be treated like every other soap couple, but only up to a point.  But you can't have it both ways, IMO.  You want them to have romantic feelings and sex and emotional involvements?  Well sometimes it's going to happen with the wrong or other people.   It's why it's called a soap opera.  My favorite is spinning about three dozen scenarios for stories (none of them particularly interesting) that all involve Kevin being not gay, but Noah misunderstanding and being jealous of their 'friendship'.  Oh the drama!  I can't recall the last time a soap couple broke up because of a partners relationship with a friend they are not romantically involved with.  Sadly though I don't think Kevin will be gay though.  I think it's going to be more of Luke and Noah vs the bigots, this time in the face of Kevin.   I guess we just can't get enough of that, can we?  If the fans want the writers to try something fresh and different with the couple, the fans have to be willing to let them.
isoron's picture

So Reg is coming back?

You guys get on with your interesting debate. I sort of agree with you but I can't get that much testerone/estrogen up for it. I do feel that I can't get into the "conspiracy to cut out Nuke theory". You have a marginally interesting soap - certainly not as well-scripted as VL (which is sooo hot nowadays with Consatin moving in and the blonde bombshell thrown into the mix - now THAT is potential!

But if Reg comes back it might make a real difference. To hell with Kevin whatever he might be - we know Reg and I think he will fit into Luke's exploring his "gaydom" s/l. Maybe not a romantic interest but maybe a "politically gay interest" to help Luke with his personal issues about being gay! Wouldn't that be better?

 Although I have to say that is just a wish on my part! 


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