Do Gay Men Like Lesbian Porn?

Here's the thing, Lauren, and it says it all: You cite "Loving Annabelle," which is TOTALLY not "porn" by any definition. It's simply a film with sex scenes in it. And Michael mentions his books which HELLO... also not porn.

I have found some male/male sex scenes erotic, but I don't find male/male sex erotic in and of itself as some, perhaps many, women do, and as straight men seem to about female/female sex. But I don't care for actual porn, be it gay, straight, or lesbian. It makes me laugh and/or bores me. It never seems erotic to me at all.

It's not that I like sex scenes to be all soft-focus and pretty. It's just that without context, it doesn't interest me. It just seems flat, and then the sex seems, well... laughable.

I've seen gay male porn at friend's houses and in gay clubs. The guys always seem quite ugly to me (duh, they're not FOR me), the acting lame, and the stories non-existent. So I can say as a lesbian I don't like gay porn, and it's very true; I don't. Or straight porn or even lesbian porn. The stuff made for straight men is just GODAWFUL, but I don't find much of interest in real porn made by and for lesbians either. But I do like films with well-done sex scenes between women. (I don't even like to see mixed-gender couples kiss in film, though.)

And there have been several male/male sex scenes in film and television that I found erotic, if that's what you're really asking. I just take each one on its own merits, and it depends on the chemistry of the couple, the context and if it resonates with what I find erotic... all the same things that apply to a lesbian sex scene in a movie.

I'm not quite sure why it doesn't work that way with straight sex scenes, but it doesn't. At best they leave me cold. At worst they make me feel slightly icky. I'd clobber a straight person who said that about m/m or f/f scenes in films, so I'm doubly ashamed!

Wow! I totally did not expect these results!

Originally, I planned on discussing gay men liking/disliking lesbian porn, but I guess since more of you guys are interesting in the vice versa I guess I'll explain my point of view.

I actually agree with Christie Keith in that I generally don't like porn. Last year if you asked me how I felt about it, I would have said it was hilarious.  But...this year, as ant-lesbian as it sounds, I've found I like gay porn.

I can't really explain the appeal, but unlike gay men (looking at lesbian porn), I do find it hot. Maybe it's the humping =)

I love it BECAUSE there are no storylines (ahem, if you're watching porn, I don't think you care too much about the characters), and you're right. A lesbian can see when a guy is very attractive. Also, gay porn is for gay men, and you can tell it is. Lesbian porn doesn't feel like it's for lesbian. I always feel like there's a peeping Tom behind every corner.

I can not watch straight porn, and I'm partially bisexual (since we're using the Kinsey, I'll say 4.5-5). It's just really boring that the men always play the dominant role. I mean, if you always feel like you're seen as the bottom in the relationship, does it ever get boring to you? With two gay men, you don't identify with either, so you can just enjoy the sex for sex's sake. With women, or with straight sex, there's too much to comparison to real life. So you guys don't feel this way at all?

The reason why I referred to a movie sex scene is to show that I still like to watch lesbians simulate sexual acts even more than I like to watch guys actually act sexually.

And I don't romantically care about men. I LOVE Six Feet Under, and I love both David and Keith, but toward their relationsihp, I don't "really" care, if that makes sense. I think they make a great couple, but I don't feel romantically attatched to them. But if I see a lesbian couple make up/split up, I really feel something happy/sad.

But I have to say, there is a lot of cheesy lesbian stuff (see South of Nowhere). I haven't watched Willow/Tara or Gabrielle/Xena. Maybe I'm too young. But I do ship "Tibette", and Jenny and Nikki and really hot together. But then again, those are both women productions directed towards women. I haven't watched Queer as Folk, but I'm friends with my gay friend who loves the show and I'm hoping he will watch it with me.

I hate lesbian porn maybe because what little I've run across is obviously made for straight men. It's two straight women with long fingernails making those weird, high pitched, glottal stop coos every time they touch each others nipples. It's too fake.

when I compare it to m/m porn, the dudes kiss, are allowed to act insecure and memorized then get it on tapping into their inner animal. It doesn't surprise me that some gay women like m/m porn. I would watch lesbian porn where the women didn't act like ladies and if there was some kind of emotional drama, but that is probably all I would do: watch. (because I need to be visually stimulated as well) But I do like watching romantic and erotic scenes in film, lesbian, gay or otherwise.

The thing is that most men are visually stimulated, sexually. That's it. So most porn (visual) is made for men, because for most women it makes them "laugh and/or bores" them. I mean, Lauren(?) brought up the subject and she says that she's never seen lesbian for lesbian porn. The first time I read one of the romance novels my mom had I was shocked. I was maybe 35 and well versed in pornographic gay stories. Little difference in the stories she bought at the supermarket, except in my stories they said 'cock' and in hers they wrote 'love torch'. Otherwise almost verbatim, except for gender. Oh, and the fact that her stories were 250 pages long and the ones I read were only 12, but basically the same story.

If I were to write lesbian porn flicks for women there would be as much story as sex, as much fantasy and desire leading up to the animal sex. If it were thrilling, that's a pron flick I would rent.

Lesbians watching gay porn doesn't relate to Japanese Bishonen in my mind because I see that as a kind of sexual regression which has more to do with straight female dominance over gay men, synonymous with straight lesbian porn and having more to do with gender roles.

P.S. you have my permission even though you don't need it, nor need you acknowledge it.

I am a gay guy who happens to have enjoyed lesbian porn (courtsey my straight brothers' hidden porn stash on the computer) I have of course never actively searched for lesbian porn on the net, but still if I accidentally got my hands on them all I would need is some privacy to enjoy them. LOL.

I do enjoy bi porn more (mmf only, never mff) and even have actively searched for it, but I find that I soley focus on the two men, and conversely even feel somewhat annoyed when they pay any attention to the woman. I find it erotic in an oddly situational sense, in that there the two men are having sex with a female present. It is the possibilties of a woman's presence that I enjoy, rather than her active participation. All this being strange twists in the darkened alleys of my mind I guess, and nothing more. (I suppose I am not a Kinsey 6 anyway)

A research done on this very topic might interest you, though the details of it are a bit icky, I do have to warn beforehand. 

I do remember reading in that research article about how women respond sexually (down there, no less) to any sexual stimulus, including ahem.....animals doing it, while men, straight and gay, responded physiologically (measured by penile plethysmography) only to sexual stimuli that fitted with their identified sexuality. However this physiolgical response of vaginal lubrication in response to any sexual stimulus had no mental component, meaning the women did not get off on any of this stimuli mentally, or even realized they were responding physiologically.

One of the postulates was that this observed physiological sexual response of women is a remnant a defensive response evolved from an earlier time, when women had to be ready for sex, including forced situations, literally at the drop of a hat, during that age of cavemen. Hence the reflex vaginal lubrication in response to any sexual stimulus, so that they are ready in a forced sexual situation, reducing injuries to the vagina in such a situation. There were other postulates by the researchers to explain this phenomenon, which I do not remember now. I don't remember the link to that article unfortunately. I'll put it up if I remember it.

My problem is I find porn, whether straight, gay, lesbian or bi sexually stimulating. In that I physiologically AND mentally respond to porn of all varities, so I am wierd that way. As I said before I'm not a Kinsey 6 anyway, but I would never a sexual relationship with a woman satisfying at all. (not that I've had a relationship with a woman or a man yet)

One thing is sure, Human sexuality is a highly complex thing, (mine is a bit simpler, in that I respond indiscriminately apparently) and all our discussions can only be very peripheral in this vast topic. This is just my two cents, feel free to trash it or ignore it.

Not at ALL.

...was to get into the pants of my "straight" buddies. Watching porn in high school and college would lead to "something more".

Every lesbian I know, meaning that I'm on a personal level with, likes to watch gay porn...save one (she can hardly tolerate men even kissing her girlfriend good night). Romaine Patterson (lesbian, OutQ radio host, Angel Action, Living in the Light of Matthew Shepard) loves gay porn...for her it's "the more aggressive the better". According to her one of the things she's found amongst lesbians is they enjoy it because it's the men being objectified and dominated.

I think it's penis envy. KIDDING!!!

One other thing about "lesbian" porn.  Ummm, Lesbian porn made for lesbians by lesbians...meaning not the soft Penthouse lesbians, or lesbians as straight men imagine them...but real lesbians -- not attractive porn.  At least not that I've seen.  Truck drivin, contruction workin, tennis pro lesbians licking clam...ugh.  Even the straight gusy I know are mostly turned off.  I'm not saying lesbinas in general are not attractive...I know hot lesbians...but the ones that get into porn for lesbians company almost seem like a niche.

As a lesbian, I was just wondering the other day, why in the world I get turned on by gay (male) porn! I thought I was odd....apparently I'm just your run of the mill lesbian.

More interestingly, I get turned on by heterosexual porn and gay male porn but NOT lesbian porn! Although Id like to add that I don't seek it out...like many women, I will watch it if it's to hand, but otherwise not bother.

However, I do get turned on by lesbian scenes on TV or in movies. Therefore, I need a story to physically and mentally respond to lesbian scenes, but I don't need it to respond to heterosexual or gay male porn.

I will admit that I'm not a 6...I would guess maybe a 4.5, some days a 5...For a long time this confused me, but I'm beginning to understand. I feel that, as far as men are concerned, I can be aesthetically attracted to them, and sexually attracted provided it is only about my own sexual gratification. I am exclusively emotionally attracted to women and the sex is not only about self gratification but mutual gratification. I would guess that this also explains my reaction to porn. I need that emotional connection with a woman, but I do not need it with a man because the emotional connection with men is foreign to me.

I would guess that women, are on the whole more inherently bisexual than men? This is certainly not true accross the board, but might it be more prevalent and explain why lesbians can enjoy the sexuality of men, more than gay men can enjoy that of women?

In conclusion I have no idea. But someone should do a poll!

I think this is a really intriguing topic, and everything you guys are saying is really making me think.

From my own personal experience, I find I am almost exclusively interested in gay porn. I tend to avoid straight porn, in part because I find the representation of women offensive. But on a basic level, I guess I could sum it up this way: One man is hot, two men are hotter. I never understood straight male attraction to lesbians, I even thought it was a little demeaning, but then I saw two guys together and I was like OH, I get it now.

I find men sexually attractive, so two men together is just, well, extra attractive, where as straight porn only involves one guy, and a girl whom to me just "gets in the way". I also find it interesting to watch the dynamics between two men. In my experience, straight guys are generally uncomfortable showing any sort of affection towards each other, so watching two guys be intimate with each other is very attractive to me. I haven't ever watched lesbian porn, so I can't really comment, but I doubt I would find it attractive. I love Queer as Folk, especially the romantic/sexual scenes between the guys, but the lesbian action I always watch with a sense of indifference. I wasn't turned off by it persay, I just didn't find that interesting.

But again, this is just my personal view, and I think human sexuality is far too complex for us to narrow down an explanation.

I may be straight, but I'm not narrow.

I've seen lots of straight porn with Lesbian scenes and even as a gay man who had a pretty active heterosexual love life I hated it.  Most of my straight female friends who watch porn quite prefer gay male porn over straight porn. The only girl/girl action that I  thought was sexy was in the Emmanuelle series, which is slightly more softcore and erotic.  I actually found that hot.

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wow, what an interesting discussion.

I have no problem admitting i watch porn (most people think i am sick for doing so)....but i also find that most lesbian porn turns me off as well. maybe i am looking at all the wrong places, but it's so fake to me. the women do stupid forced sounds and they're constantly chatting with each other during the whole thing. i mean, there is a lot of porn that does that, but i have managed to find ''real'' porn that doesnt look/sound so fake....but alas, it's usually either guy/guy or straight porn

i've watched guy/guy porn as well and have no problem with it.....which i find strange. i think sex in general just turns me on, no matter who is doing it. but it has to be 'real' at some level...otherwise i can't watch it. 

i didn't know there was a whole thing about most lesbians liking guy/guy porn. i knew about straight giggly fangirls. i wonder if other gay women feel that most lesbian porn is 'fake' like i do and thats why it's hard to sit through it.

As a girl who is a slash/yaoi freak, I think the reason lesbians like guy/guy is the same reason straight girls like guy/guy, a lot of the guy/guy material is made by women for women, and appeals to women's desire in it's construction. A gay guy friend of mine once criticized yaoi saying real men don't act like that, and I said that's the point. They aren't supposed to be real men, they are supposed to be the idealized men women want, in an idealized relationship with each other. The fact that it's two men allows us to identify with whichever character we want, instead of stepping into the girl's shoes, as with traditional romance, and no women means no comparing. I think it's nature that girls compare other girls bodies and feel jealiousy. That girl is more beautiful than me, or I hate the heroine of the novel because she gets a guy and I don't. I want him. With guy/guy there's no one to be jealious of. Or maybe it's fun to play with gender roles.

I have a few lesbians friends who like guy/guy stuff, because most of it is "girly". I honestly think straight men are probably the only ones who like lesbian porn though.

The evolutionary argument is that men like many anoymous partners to spread thier seed, while women want one partner they know is good enough to help raise off spring. Hince girls like romance novels, boys like porn. Lesbian porn tends to be more just anoymous girls the guys can fantasise about, and a lot of guy/guy stuff, at least the stuff made by and for women focuses more on relationships like romance. Although not all, and I don't really know.

http://www.fabmagazine.com/features/womenwet/index.html This is an interesting article about women who liked Queer as Folk for the guy/guy content. It makes an interesting point about gender bending, maybe it's just hot for girls to put themselves in the place of guy by watching guy/guy stuff. 

http://www.villagevoice.com/2006-10-31/news/drawn-together/ article on yaoi

http://www.thehighhat.com/Marginalia/005/slash.html on slash.

I guess, general theory. Straight guys like lesbian porn because they want to have the lesbians, girls like gay porn because they want to be the gay guys, because men have more sexual power and freedom in our society than women. I don't know.

and the reasons why certain kinds of porn work or don't work for people can be very complex and are a constant source of interest and fascination to me.

There is a facile explanation why you enjoy gay man porn Lauren. And that is that you're bisexual identified. Why wouldn't a bisexual identified person, regardless of gender, and romantic preferences, like male-on-male porn?

I'm bisexual. So personally I need no further explanation as to why I can be sexually aroused by some porn regardless of whether it features 2 guys, 2 girls, a guy and a girl, mmf bisexual, ffm bisexual or trans / genderqueer people/action, whatever etc.

Lesbians, or at least lesbian identified queer women, who love gay man porn are particularly interesting. I have found though that they are often influenced by some popular misconceptions about the people who perform in porn.

First misconception is that the men in gay porn are gay. Actually many of them are not. Many of them aren't even bisexual enough to date a man in real life.

Second misconception is that the women in "made for men" lesbian porn are straight. Actually most of the porn stars who do a lot of girl-girl porn are bisexual (at least in the sense that they enjoy lesbian sex) and a few of them are lesbians.

For example porn star turned porn director Skye Blue is a lesbian. And with her porn star looks - big blonde hair, huge boobs and long fingernails -  couldn't possibly be less stereotypically lesbian. Nevertheless she is a lesbian. A lesbian who commercially exploited her attractiveness to straight men with considerable success.

My first porn movie was Blonde Goddess, which starred Johnathan Ford (and Ron Jeremy).  It had some lesbian scenes in it.  Fast forwarded through those and watched Johnathan and the other cute guys in action.  I'm also a fan of Mike Horner, and I have seen a few lesbian scenes in his movies.  Mike has even appeared in some bisexual films, though he only has sex with women.

I've heard that many female porn stars say that they can fake oral sex on a woman but not on a man.  Even the Mayflower Madam said in her book that when two escorts were hired to please a man, the lesbian acts can be faked but still nice for the man to watch.  In fact, when word got out that one of the girls like the lesbian act too much, many of the other escorts did not want to team up with her.

As for buying lesbian porn, no thanks.  Strictly guy on guy.  Never had sex with a woman since they have that annoying habit of getting pregnant.

The Tide is High, But I'm Holding on, I'm Gonna be Your Number One -- Blondie via John Holt

I love lesbians- not in a sexual manner- but I find them so interesting, and I'd watch lesbian sex as like an educational video, haha, seriously...

 I fell in love with Tina and Bette in the L word (oh! I LOVE Alice and Shane!), I found their relationship cute really, and when it was threatened I felt sad and in suspense. But, I've never watched straight or lesbian porn, and if I were, I'd be grossed out a tad by the bongos and vertical smiles. I'd be fascinated, like I was watching alien sex. I find women ascthetically beautiful, but not romantically. 

In terms of what I've seen on television, I feel most fascinated and attacted to the lesbian couples, but only to the emotional sense. With gay men, its purely physical- attraction based, and I tend to like a guy that I would like in real life.

In a weird way, I feel that lesbian relationships are most beautiful and superior of all, and it makes a lot more sense to me why a woman would be attracted to other women, versus men (maybe because that's the type of senario for me, but reversed). I do feel fascinated that lesbians would like gay porn haha, kind of an unfair trade off, because not many of us would find lesbian sex that appealing. I'd watch it, but it wouldn't be erotic and it would be artistic for me.

Two emotional beings sharing their bodies and intimate emotions with one another.

Oh- we should paint a scissorin' session in the Sisten Chapel; it would be wonderful!

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