That was wonderful. Gareth's speech was simultaneously heartwarming and heartbreaking. I've had my doubts about the two, but this play made me like their relationship a little better. Impressions? Rants? Gleeful proclamations? I mean, even Ianto comment about waking up in the night and watching Jack sleep gives us insight to the nature of their relationship the show never gave us.
Edit: ( Someone one LJ was kind enough to post the transcripts of Gareth's Ianto speech. http://harkness-101.livejournal.com/7561.html?view=20617#t20617 )
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I cried
I cried like an idiot and then listened to it again and... cried again :)
It was a great speech and Gareth did a terrific job with it. I think it was heartbreaking and I loved Jack's acknowledging it in the last line.
The Dead Line was my favorite radio play, I could easily see this as a TV episode, a nice one. Aside from Ianto being adorable with that speech, he also saves the day when Gwen and Rhys (both were very funny and lovely) bring back the hard facts/evidence. I loved that he was the one who solved the problem. I liked the neurologist too, nice character, nicely played.
I will shut up before I let slip spoilers for CoE or anything.
Ianto's speech made my eyes well up.
And I don't cry so easily. Also, from reading fan posts, I already knew that there was a big speech from Ianto in The Dead Line. I was a bit worried that it wouldn't live up to my expectations, or that it would be overdone. However, I thought it was well-written.
Kudos to Gareth David-Lloyd for that restrained, yet stunning performance.
I heard it at work and I
Aww, you all are sweet!! :)
I honestly didn't cry, I just felt sad and fuzzy inside all at the same time. I was really happy they had him say all that, because just the night before listening I had been thinking about how Jack's immortality was a fundamental problem in their relationship. Inevitably, whatever happens between them is going to end tragically for one of them, so a part of me wants to see poor Ianto pull a Stella and get out while he's ahead. But we all know he has attachment issues. Maybe he'll turn out to be a time lord like Gareth wants. That would be fantastic for his relationship with Jack... until Jack got bored or felt trapped, that is!
"To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible." - Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes
I Love Me Some John Barrowman,But....
Gareth David-Lloyd is the fucking man! Ianto's monologue was the best i've heard since Ted's(Scott Lowell)"God Loves Us All" speech on "Queer As Folk''s first season.
Just perfect.
Barrowman charm
Works wonders on the screen but I can't buy his performances on the radio plays, and he was by far the dullest reader on the audiobooks, all the rest did a good job with their audiobooks, specially Eve Myles and Gareth David-LLoyd. It's not surprising those two are really good in the radio plays too.
I never watched the American version of QaF, so I can't comment on Ted's speech, but I agree that Ianto's speech was really touching and perfectly delivered by GDL.
Torchwood Audio Slash
So nice to see that Torchwood is slashier than anything, even in audio plays!
Rather humorously, when Jack said his line about how Ianto would never be a "blip in time" to him, the graphic visualizer Windows Media Player produced a pink triangle onscreen. Admittedly that kept me from getting misty-eyed, because I started laughing hysterically. I wonder if Microsoft put an M/M romance detector in there!
Dead Line
I have to admit, I was a little anxious about listening to this play after reading these comments. I have a pretty different view of the ship than most in these parts, and I was afraid that what other AE fans loved would leave me cold. Imagine my surprise, then, that the speech everyone was raving about actually involved Ianto sharing almost exactly my view of their relationship!
I am sated.
wonder if...
i wonder if this will be in the actual show...anyone know??
Probably not...
From what I heard, the radio plays were meant to be lead-ins to S3, so that they could have a bit smoother of transition between seasons (after all, quite a lot lot happened at the end of S2). So it might be referenced or given a nod, but I doubt any of the scenes from these dramas will appear in S3 at all.
You know though, for these supposedly being transitional stories, they dealt very little with S2. I guess the writers didn't want to dip to deep into that angst pool finale?
"To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible." - Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes
Torchwood Transition
The previous audio play celebrating the launch of the CERN large hadron collider already dealt with the S2 fallout. These plays are probably "transitional" insofar as they show them already having established a new dynamic, ready to launch straight into new adventures.
Although, in all honesty, they're probably not really meant to be transitional at all. They're probably really just a marketing tool to build anticipation for the new season, and any talk about "transitional stories" is all marketing.
Although the writers and actors clearly took the project seriously. I don't mean to knock the quality of tha actual stories, I'm just being realistic about their function in the franchise.
Never clear if they're canon
I mean, it could certainly be argued that they are, what with the actor's actually performing them. That makes it rather different than the BBC books.
But we'll have to wait for CoE to determine. The transcript we saw of the first episode suggested that Ianto was feeling very unsure about what his relationship with Jack is. But this audio play ended on a very up note of Jack making a statement that Ianto is significant to him. Plus it indicates that they're sleeping together (and I mean "sleeping" in the literal sense, not just shagging) on a fairly regular basis. So it's not all just Naked Hide 'n Seek and heavy frottage in the hot house.
Of course, it doesn't dispel Ianto's understandable anxieties about being in love with someone who isn't getting any older. So that may be what's carrying forward into CoE.
I guess it's like the "Captain's Blog" on the BBC site that way. It's kind of "official" as it's on a BBC site, but not clear how exactly it fits into the onscreen piece.
Canon
Reviving a slightly old thread.
Canon and Dr. Who has always been a bit weird. Officially licensed products have referenced unofficial products, and even outright fanfic. Novels referenced comic books, audio dramas novels. Big Finish audio has adapted some Audiovisuals, but did a direct sequel to another, putting that series both in and out of each others' canon. Many official writers have considered details that only appear in the novelizations of tv episodes to be canon that has to be dealt with.
At one point, the BBC released a web animation starring Richard E. Grant as the 9th Doctor. It was the official, BBC-released, canonical 9th Doctor. Until the new series happened, and it wasn't.
Russell T. Davies has said that he explicitly left enough blanks for the various interegnum series to be canon, but at the same time, he adapted some of them. Surely the Doctor didn't live through Human Nature/Family of Blood twice?
In the end, I stopped worrying about canon. There's never been a series that so encouraged the idea of Krypto-revisionism: that each reader/viewer develops their own canon based on what they WANT to fit in, and neither the official author/copyright holder nor other fans can change that.
not the scene
I'm sure they won't do that, but RTD or maybe Phil Ford said in one of the dozens of interviews that this lead into CoE in the sense of how Jack and Ianto's relationship has evolved and Ianto's insecurity, as well as Gwen accepting Rhys help and how they protect each other.
RTD considered their mourning over Owen and Toshiko's dealt with with the play Lost Souls, and the smalls references in DW S4 finale and a very little thing in CoE. In that sense they get used as a transition and could be considered canon, a little :)
In the first of these 3 plays, they brought PC Andy more into Torchwood world and that sets things for whatever part he'll play in CoE too.
Beautiful
cautiously optimistic...
I never thought I'd see the Janto relationship emphasised quite so strongly in an actual episode
yeah...me neither. i thought that gdl knocked that speech out of the park, though. could have easily been schmoopy and over the top but ended up being painful and very, very real. i just worry what that means for the fate of poor ianto. this whole relationship development seems to almost come out of nowhere--all we've really had thusfar has been some hot and heavy snoggage and flirting, but no discussion of a relationship up until this point, which makes me fear for the fate of my favorite teaboy. not that i have that many teaboys in my life. just the one, really.
wonderful speech
I thought Gareth did an incredible job. This episode was the best of the 3 (Ayslum being a not so close 2nd). While it wasn't quite the Janto story I was expecting that speech was enough. :)
related note
Ok, one problem I had with Jack & Ianto & it's at the end:
I think they should have made it clear if Ianto was within ear-shot of Jack's final line.
IF he was, then Jack was letting him know that Ianto was heard - this episode's equivilant of Ianto's diary.
BUT Ianto's speech included a "don't talk about it" deal. So if Ianto wasn't able to hear it (maybe he was packing up?) then Jack was keeping the deal...
Anyone else had a problem with that bit? thoughts?
my take: Ianto wasn't in the room. just seems like Jack would respect the "don't talk" request
p.s. 45 minutes is much too short for these audio plays.
Jack's statement
I didn't think of that, brenrose! If Ianto didn't hear, that would change the nature of the comment quite a bit. For one thing, it would mean that Jack really, really meant it and wasn't just saying it for Ianto's benefit (or to get laid ;)). It would also make the scene a bit sadder, because Ianto was left feeling not assured about his insecurities.
"To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible." - Calvin of Calvin and Hobbes
Exactly
My rewrite has Ianto saying he'll go get the SUV so he's definitely out the door when Jack makes his statement...but I'm a romantic. :)
I listened to it while
I listened to it while driving (four times). I love it, the scenes between Jack and Ianto are very touching and tender. If only the other audioplays and books were more like this!
As to whether Ianto heard Jack's words or not: I like to think that he did and I'm convinced Jack meant what he said. If Ianto wasn't there anymore, he'd probably have spoken much more softly, as if talking to himself.