I love this spoiler only part of B&S :) So can we start mumbling about spoiler stuff now?

KC
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Kong Chang: If you know anything about BaS, I really really wanna know! Love that show!

You're the leader here!

Loads of stuff coming up in episode 23. I wonder if I should talk about it openly since this is the place to do it. I am hoping to get an approval from Michael first.

 

Btw, new spoiler from Michael Ausiello at TVGuide.Com:

Question: OK, what's the scoop on Brothers & Sisters? Did Tom really kiss Rebecca? Can she be trusted? BTW, Emily VanCamp is doing a phenomenal job as Rebecca.— Alissa

Ausiello: We'll find out what really went on between those two on April 29. (Spoilery hint: They're both guilty, but one of them is guiltier.)

I think she meant "Joe" not "Tom".  And this spoiler is for episode 20.

KC
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Just make sure the subject lines don't give anything away.

So, all of you know that Saul has had a gay past by now.

Other spoilers from episode 23 includes:

1) Robert & Kitty's engagement party. Robert invites his relatives over for the engagement and these relatives are more booze hounds than the Walkers!

2) Kevin & Jason do hit it off and they actually make out! Of course, not after many minutes of bickering and fighting sexual tension in the air. They make out at the pantry of the Walker house where the engagement party is held because well Kevin ruined the first choice for the party because he hated the mango orange look to the location. The first choice place is also where he and Jason reunited because the family totally set them up again. LoL. They do have sex (off camera) but is only inferred by a line of dialogue.

3) Re: Saul's past. A man by the name of Milo comes to meet Saul at the engagement party because he was invited by Nora. The way the setup occurs, it is very reminiscent of <b>Brokeback Mountain</b>. The guy divorces his wife after many years because he finally comes to terms with his sexuality as gay, and wants Saul to know how he still feels about him, and invites him to his newly bought cabin.

4) Justin leaves for Iraq but 2 days earlier than he thought because he is needed back early for medic retraining. He has to leave the same day as his sister's engagement party. So rather than spoil the party, he tells Rebecca he's leaving and leaves for the airport. Rebecca later tells Nora & Kitty Justin is shipping off to Iraq, and Nora & Kitty along with Rebecca drive like mad women to LAX airport. They thought he went past the security check point and tried to get through but the checkpoint woman wouldn't allow them through. Luckily Justin came up behind them and surprised them and told them he just came out of the restroom. He gave them all a big hug and they said their goodbyes. Justin even tells Nora "I promise to come back".

 

KC

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It sounds like a great episode. Even though I'm sure Kevin still have plenty of learning left to do in the relationship department, I'm glad that it appears he ends the season with Jason on a very positive note. I really hope Winter returns for Season 2 - could be a great couple in the making. And the farewell scene between Nora and Justin is sure to be a tearjerker.

...Eric Winter is available...which I highly doubt because that pilot which he is a regular in will most likely get picked up by CBS. It's one helluva expensive pilot to produce and there's a penalty price tag if it isn't picked up.

But that wouldn't preclude him from being back later in season 2 if his series gets canned or whatever. However, by that time he's available again, Kevin would have moved onto love interest #4. So, this is not the time to be investing into Jason/Eric just yet until the May upfronts from CBS are officially announced.

And knowing CBS, who are pretty much penny pinchers, I doubt they'll let an expensive pilot go to waste and pick it up.

 

KC

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.... simply recast the role if Winter is unavailable? It's done all the time.

Anthony

 

My thoughts exactly. The blog itself said, "Welcome Jason McCallister, pull up a chair and stay awhile." It certainly doesn't sound like the producers are hoping the character only has 1 more episode left in him. Additionally, I do find it hard to believe they would go to the effort of linking Kevin and Jason romantically in the finale if there wasn't at least some hope or expectation that the actor and character would return in the fall. Pilots are indeed recast all the time (B&S is a prime example of this). It might depend also on the flexibility of Winter's contracts, which is something we are not privy to at the moment. Perhaps it's all up in the air, but I think it's too early to say either way.

Eric Winter signed on to Viva Laughlin first. Which means he did that pilot before signing on as a guest star for Brothers & Sisters. In order for him to get out of the contract with Viva Laughlin is if they let him go. He cannot drop the show if it gets picked up because it goes against the negotiated contract. There's a huge penalty for ditching.

Therefore, the only way he can get out of Viva Laughlin is if he gets recast...let's say...if ABC and CBS makes a deal trade. However, Eric Winter is not that big of a star to do such a trade at the moment.

Unless you mean recasting the role of Jason McCallister. That is possible too.

Anyway, we'll see what happens. The Bloggers blog is not a expectation of what is to come, Anonymous, or how much supoort there is, but what is generally discussed that pertained to the last episode aired.

KC

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Forgive me, Kong, but I don't think any of us are in the position to know whether Winter is a big enough of a "star" to warrant such a trade. (And in fact, his being a lesser-known actor argues against your logic--arguably the producers would be more willing to do a trade for Winter than a bigshot like, say, Hugh Jackman). The fact that Winter was already signed to do the pilot when they signed him on B&S means the B&S producers were aware of this--and if they did want him for S2, they could have negotiated with CBS to permit this. Again, this is all speculation - but to state things in terms of certainty is misplaced. There's simply too much we aren't privy to. Last, please do not feel the need to "inform" me what the Blog is about. I am a literate, intelligent individual who can make these deductions for myself. While I recognize that the Blogger comments primarily about the latest episode, he (art) is also connected to the show's producers and it's not inconceivable that he is privy to the general plans for this character. At the very least, I would presume he reported back to the producers about the character's overwhelmingly positive reception.

Let me go point by point over your comment:

1) Trade - My logic is not faulty on this, because you are not understanding the situation. A trade deal is not done on a lesser known actor because it's too costly. For ABC to get Eric Winter from CBS, ABC has to buy out his contract from CBS as well as pay his penalty fee, which often includes the production cost of recasting a new actor AND reshooting all of his scenes, which also means paying the other actors, who were with him in those scenes, a 2nd time. That could be in the several hundreds of thousands of dollars. For a more named celeb, yes, that is more possible, because they are worth buying out. But for a lesser known actor, it's not worth it financially. Any trade deal of financial magnitude will be reported in Variety and Hollywood Reporter trade papers. These are the magazines everyone should be reading.

2) Contract - Eric's contract with CBS and Hugh Jackman's production company for Viva Laughlin was negotiated in January. Since Eric had no B&S intentions, he had no negotiations in contract for stipulations to be able to "guest star" in other shows. Most likely, his agent had him do the recurring guest star on B&S as a "backup plan" in case the pilot wasn't picked up. However, if the pilot does get picked up, he cannot renege on the contract with CBS. He'll either have to wait until the series gets canned OR he is fired and replaced by CBS because the test audience didn't like him (and I doubt they won't like him, he's really good in VL accordingly). The contract with B&S and ABC most likely entails his 2 episode stint and an "option" to return for 2nd season if his pilot isn't picked up. The producers of B&S realizes this. They can't do anything. Neither will ABC do anything. All they can do is wait it out until the May upfronts and then renegotiate the contract with Eric Winter's agent if he is free to continue on.

3) Bloggers & Sisters - Art's blog posted on April 18th made 3 major points that he just reiterated from comments commenting about episode 19. The first line in each tidbit is his take on what the posters have said and then he expounds on what people are talking about, hoping it will generate more talk and conversation and curiosity. It is not to be taken as context that this is what production thinks. If you remember, Art, when he first posted, said he is also a fan of the show, and most of his writing will take a fan's perspective. And btw a few posts praising Eric Winter/Jason McCallister doesn't make it an "overwhelming positive reception" either. If you want overwhelming positive reception, look back at the older blog comments for episode 18, in which the whole freaking Peter Coyote fan club came out of the woodwork. They have more posts and more praises for Peter Coyote and for Mark & Nora's relationship, than anything posted for Jason McCallister. Now, that's "overwhelming positive reaction" by your definition.

KC

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Kong, I never said that any such "trade" was in the making. I was merely saying we do not have enough information to know what contractual contingencies were planned for. As for Winter's contract with CBS, there is the potential that he was able to renegotiate a clause (when he signed on with B&S) that would permit him to do B&S on a recurring basis. Personally, I find it difficult to believe the producers of B&S would choose an actor already signed onto another project without trying to guarantee themselves some degree of flexibility. But whatever the situation may be, my fundamental point is that casting your statements in absolutes and under the language of certainty is misplaced given our limited information. Winter may or may not continue on B&S in Season 2. And if he doesn't, I'll be fully on board with giving Kevin a new love interest. However, I also don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he will come back, either. Finally, I frequent many B&S message boards and the consensus has been very positive regarding Winter's first appearance. That was what I meant by "positive reception." I wouldn't be surprised if Art himself (being a fan) also takes a gander at what fans are saying at other sites. Even if he doesn't, the comments that have been posted on the blog have (on the whole) been very complimentary toward Jason's introduction, and I'm sure that hasn't gone unnoticed by the producers.

If you are Scott, Anonymous, let's please say we have our disagreements and wait until the May upfronts to then discuss the possibility and potential of whatever will transpire for season 2.

KC

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Joe Whedon kissed Rebecca. Justin will tell Sarah, although he confronts Joe first.

Kitty proposed to Robert McCallister.

Thoughts? Opinions?

KC

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Anthony said: "Joe and Sarah's scenes, especially when she confronted him, where very well done and very well acted. The highlight of the episode for me."

I agree. That was the most personal, most painful, most REAL anger I have seen in this show, or any other, for that matter, in a long time. It felt so raw, and so REAL, I actually felt guilty for eavesdropping on such a personal moment.

The horrible, biting things they said to each other? Beautifully, painfully done. That is how people fight, when they are fighting for their lives. No candy coatings, no filters. Just balls-out daggers being thrown, and it was amazing. {{{Sarah and Joe}}}

The rest of the show was fantastic, too, it's just that I can't remember anything else because of that fight scene.

And yeah, I'm starting to miss the show already, too. :(

in quite some time. Too often I don't believe what some of the characters do (Kevin's hair pulling for instance) or I really dislike how they are acting (see Desperate Housewives of late), but I thought this episode really worked. Joe and Sarah were the heart of it, but I also liked Justin's trying to help, but maybe making things work. I like how he agreed not to tell, but the truth came out anyway just like he said. And as Anthony said, great bit with Holly defending Rebecca, but knowing her as well. Very real. And the part with Kevin and his niece was great.

IMHO, the two biggest revelations (the one who died in the helicopter crash & the scene of how the kiss actually occurred) in this episode were the best parts for this episode. There was again, something lacking in this episode...the intensity I come to expect from B&S. It was like we were teased but they never delivered the goods as promised, so I was left with wanting more and more.

Upcoming episode 21 looks more promising with some Dynasty-like cat fighting between Nora & Holly and with Julia going into major labor pains, even though she isn't due for awhile, will be quite the trauma experience for the family...and quite the cliffhanger too. :P

KC

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seemed very intense to me. The crash, the confrontation between Nora and Holly, between Sarah and Joe. BTW, was who died in the crash a big revelation since it turned out to be nobody? Or are you just saying you knew there was a crash, but not who died in it? AUsiello reports today that Rebecca is going to go unpunished for her lie about Joe which seems outrageous.

Ausiello says she won't be punished right now (that is, in the final 3 episodes of the season). I would bet the writers are planning for this all to come out next season, after Rebecca has had chance to bond with her siblings. More effective that way--she starts to make inroads, only for the truth to be discovered.

Michael : I'm saying the crash in ep 20 was kinda known for awhile, but we were speculating on who it was. We thought it may be the report of Robert's war-hero helicopter crash being leaked out to the press, but thankfully, we were wrong on that. In the end, it was his speech writer. We weren't too sure who that person in the crash on the news was about.

As for Rebecca not being punished, yeah, I read about that, and I think her upcommance will arrive later down the road when karma starts stabbing her in the back for her lies. She's not this innocent girl we are all led to believe. I'm sure "her ex-boyfriend" will make an appearance next season, and he is older than Joe.

KC

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I had more time to follow what's going on with the show! Arrgghhh...