I thought I would start up a forum on the topic since there seems to be a lot of conversation and interest. I know I certainly won't have enough time to keep with the After Dark segments, but would love to know what is going on!
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on Sat, 2007-07-07 09:22.
I guess I'll keep this spot updated
Thanks, Mikey! I'll be
*Spoilers*
Some interesting stuff from the "After Dark" on Showtime.
Kail is HoH. She nominated Amber & Carol on the chopping block. Danielle won the power of veto.
Everyone is annoyed by Joe, but wouldn't tell him to his face.
Joe & Dustin made some amends are in cahoots and have planned out a strategy.
There are actually 3 factions, a few overlaps.
Amber is campaigning hard to maintain in the house; even though, she lied to Carol and told her she wasn't going to campaign. Carol thought she could trust Amber, but now she's upset that Amber is doing everything that she promised Carol she wouldn't. Carol's been down and depressed about the whole situation and hates being inside the house.
Nick did mention to Joe that he went down on a guy once in the past.
Joe flashed at the camera quickly once.
Jen & Mike are hooking up, but now she's jealous and Mike is annoyed by her because she thinks he's hanging too much with Danielle and she's jealous and following him around wondering what he's doing. And now, Jen & Mike are not liking each other.
Otherwise, it's pretty boring. Lots of strategizing and soon-to-be backstabbing campaigning of other members of the house. Mostly lots of jacuzzi/spa, playing nerf golf, lots of hanging outside and chatting.
Yes, god, why am I watching this? LoL :P
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
thanks Michael
for setting up this forum.
I was going to do recaps on my blogzine but will come here instead.
I'm watching BB8 this season (it's my summer guilty pleasure) and it looks like the After Dark has a lot of interest - so it's shaping up to be fun season.
QTC
thanks Kong Chang and Mikey G
for the updates!
xo
QTC
Hey
Nick
Nick on Big Brother 8
is what many would call T - R - O - U - B - L - E
Hot guys like that are classified as "bi-curious"
He's hoping for some action while he's staying in BB house... I suspect it won't take him too long to be serviced.
It's gonna be a good season!
:)
QTC
Not much to report...
I didn't post anything last night since Joe and Dustin had almost no interaction whatsoever. Almost the entire last hour of the feed last night was just six of the housemates playing golf. I don't know why I can't stop watching, but as tired I was at 2am, I was laughing my ass off at Evil Dick's comments to everyone.
RE: Nick being gay...totally bisexual, or like the guy above said, bi-curious. He's been setting off my Gaydar since the first live feed. His Dad thinks he is gay because he never brought home girls, and then (though my sister thinks he was joking) he says that he gave a guy a blowjob once.
I can't read him. His "game" in the house seems to be flirting. He flirts with the girls AND the gays. Now, is he just being a typical (albeit comfortable in his sexuality) guy by being overtly flirtatious to keep himself in the house, or is there more there? And then some of the things on his myspace...
I dunno, but with a body and a face like that, I'm for one hoping he's on our team. :P And I could totally see him hooking up for Dustin if that is the case. Dustin was clear that he was into him.
My personal opinion right now, with little to base it on, is that Nick is 100% gay. He has to put on a farce considering where he is from and that he was a professional football player, but I think he is just closeted. (At least to his family) As the weeks go on and he become more comfortable with the housemates (and the cameras) I could see him coming out. Should be interesting.
Not entirely related to Dustin/Joe..
Correction
Okay, I hereby dub Nick "Captain Ambiguous"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anLZ4GbuY7Q
That is the longest rub down I think I've seen in a long time.
...and it also makes me really, really want to shell out the dough for the live feeds. :P
I just don't know what to make of Nick. I give up. At 10am Nick was talking about his ex-girlfriend with Jameka, and at 11am he was getting a rub down from Dustin. I. GIVE. UP.
I can't wait
to get back home from work to watch this!!!
Thank you for the link to the youtube clip! :)
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
damn. now i have to get showtime again
There's no way in the world I'm missing another night of "after dark". My assistant came in the office this morning and was telling me all different things she saw and found out, and now this. there goes another $7 to cox comm every month
115 degrees isn't too hot...
TV execs take note, we don't need well-written gay drama
live feeds
Only if
you don't mind watching people talk and babble on about nothing and play silly games until something juicy pops up. The thing is, the juicy parts are a rarity in the live feeds. So, when it does come, it is shown. But BB USA is kinda hogwash that they sometimes shutdown all cameras if it gets a bit too dirty or people are talking about indoor politics of the game, etc..
The AFterDark on Showtime is also a live feed of the 9PM-12AM (PST) feed. It's not a bunch of edits like the regular schedule episodes are. They are also just as boring, but sometimes most people tend to strategize during the nights. So, there's the backstab talking usually.
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
Because he isn't being ambiguous enough, Nick just
Because he isn't being ambiguous enough, Nick just listed off his "Top 5 Hot Guys list". His list:
Ryan Reynolds
Brad Pitt
Matthew Mcconaughey
Hugh Jackman
I have no idea where #5 went.
Though, in the next breath, he is telling Dani he thinks about her 14 our of 24 hours everyday, and is asking he what she thinks of him. Merry Go Round.
No sooner than I sent that last message, it got even gayer:
Nick (to Daniele): "I can't wait to go to a gay club and dance with Joe"
Dani: "You can so turn him Joe", said as Joe is rubbing his hands all along Nick's body.
My smoke detector just went off.
EDIT: And now someone suggested (not sure who) that Joe dress in drag. His reply: "I've done that."
EDIT #2: Now Nick is telling Amber how much he loves "The Notebook". I'm not sure how much more of this I can take.
EDIT #3:
Completely unrelated to any of this, but this BURN was so PAINFUL and hilarious that I just had to post it. It happened during dinner:
Zack: Our eyes see everything upside down, our brains transform it to right side up.
Daniele: So does that mean that you still see things upside down Jessica?
Since tonight is about as exciting as last night...
..(that is to say: boring me to tears), here are a few snapshots from the other night when Nick was cuddling with Joe. I'm just...not gonna say anything. Like I said, I've given up on trying to figure out Nick. I guess we'll just have to wait until he hooks up with a houseguest to know for sure. :P
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7709/178200781730pmqo4.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8877/178200781744pmss4.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6809/278200781722pmzs5.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2769/278200781741pmcr9.jpg
Evil Dick and Eric also both gave us a full frontal show tonight, but I don't think I can post THAT here. :P
Nick is openly bisexual, that's it
Nick isn't open about anything.
If you really think he is "openly bisexual" (in the house - his MySpace, while cryptic in it's own right, is another story) then you haven't been playing very close attention. While he is pretty obviously bisexual most of the time, he cancels that out by saying things like "IF I was gay" and "IF I liked men". There wouldn't be so much discussion about it if he was as "open" as you're making it seem.
He's purposefully deceptive. Whether it is out of fear of ostracism or a gameplay tactic, he's not on the level.
I don't think he totally cancels it out.
Good point that he does cover himself a little, but I don't think he totally cancels it out. Even yesterday when he was wilting a little in the face of Dick and Zach's borderline bi-phobia or gay-bashing about his top 5 guys list, he still only said he wouldn't do anything with a guy unless they were on his top 5 guys list at that time, and Joe was not on that list. That statement still left a lot of room for his bisexual feelings to be clear in my opinion. I think some in the house are uncomfortable with flat out saying Nick is bisexual (although I think from reading recaps that Amber has said so, and not jokingly or disparagingly -- but don't quote me on that) -- but to me it's not because Nick is being really ambiguous about it, it's because they're uncomfortable with the idea as it challenges their prejudices.
I also don't think when he says "if" he were gay, he's being confused or trying to hide anything. He's not gay. He *is* mostly into women, it seems. He just also has an openness and some attraction to men that he acknowledges and seems comfortable with, though he probably doesn't act on it much. There's no way he's faking his intense crush on Daniele, even though he's planning to backstab her in the game and even though they most likely won't do anything because of Daniele's boyfriend and his own priniples. I haven't seen evidence of him falling head over heels like that for any guys.
Reconciliation?
Okay, so Joe and Dustin have been talking for the past hour in the hammock outside about their relationship. Some serious progress is being made...I guess. It started slightly heated, with Joe basically playing the blame game.
Now they're talking about the things they did wrong on their own part, and Joe mentions that he doesn't have any real friends. Only the ones that he stole from Dustin.
I really think there is potential for a reconciliation here, assuming the gameplay (and Nick? :P) doesn't get in the way.
Nick-related Edit: As I type this, Nick and Daniele are in bed. Together. Trying hard not to be noticed. Moving...slowly...beneath the covers.
First hook-up of the house? (Well, since the cameras went live anyway)
Short YouTube clip of Evil Dick and Joe
discussing double standards on sexuality for a brief moment, and Nick of course makes it into the conversation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdMLeqsQGU
If you check all of that user's videos, they also have a lot from last night. Including Dustin and Joe's conversation on the hammock, Joe and Nick being touchy-feely, and Nick and Daniele making waves in the bedroom.
Dick is confusing
Not a lot going on..
Too much focus on the eviction for real personal stuff to be going on right now. Joe is basically lying to everyone about everything, so he probably won't be around much longer.
Anyway, to tide you over through the boredom, here is another picture from tonight of Nick and Joe being way way close:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9833/nickjoecouchjj4.jpg
Huzzah for Joe!
Zach
Although Zach has said some awesome things about Dustin in the live feeds, but I don't know why he just said what he said calling Joe & Dustin girls. Zach, to me, IMHO, reminds me a little of Howie of season 6. Sometimes what comes out of the mouth is not meant to be taken as rude/crude.
Thing is...if Zach finds out that Kail & Mike have no faith in him, he may opt to expose the "Mrs. Robinson" alliance to the other alliance.
We'll have to see where he goes.
Btw, I love Jameka!! She rocks! I love her in the live feeds. :)
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
Interesting (*spoiler*)
Nick just asked Jen to put Joe up for eviction.
Btw, Mike & Zach are now telling each other not to trust Nick (this was from today's earlier live feeds).
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
Nick has left the MRA!
As of last night, Nick has left the MRA (Kail, Mike, Zach, and kind of Jen) and confessed what he's been doing to Daniele! They have a plan to work with everybody outside of the MRA to take that alliance down.
Also apparently last night, I read in a recap of the live feeds that Nick mentioned in the hot tub with Joe and Jen that he's kissed guys in the past, who were bar buddies, mostly due to bets, and he was also "caught" giving a guy a blow job. I think his bisexuality is becoming increasingly confirmed. Unfortunately, I can't find a video of this anywhere.
Meanwhile, Joe and Dustin are still trying to take each other out when they should be teaming up. :(
Evil Dick...Evil Homophobe?
ED has flip-flopped on his stance on gay people a lot: One second he is defending them, the next he is making a stereotypically homophobic "straight guy" comment. An example from last night:
(Context: In regards to Dustin wanting to "fight" him over something...didn't hear that part, but I think it has something to do with the food comp?)
"If I can't beat up a gay boy, I'd be done with my life. I'd have to move to Europe."
It's not THAT bad...I guess...but it's still just typical machismo "being gay makes you weaker" nonsense and it offended me enough to post it.
On again, off again, on top again.
Our favorite gay nemesis and his not-so-secret confused lover present us with a little more PDA:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1679/1342hp7.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8459/1343gf2.jpg
Game-related update: SPOILERS!!
POV/Leisure competition results:
Daniele has won POV.
Dick won a television set.
Someone was given a reprieve from slop, while another person was put on slop for a week - I do not know who.
Jen has to wear red leotard body suit (and nothing else) for an unspecified amount of time.
Amber and Kail have to be CHAINED together for an unspecified amount of time.
Thanks so much for this as
Will do.
Some more updates!
As jai reported earlier, Nick confessed all to Daniele and the two bonded, becoming a true alliance. Well, there has been a new development:
Tonight, Nick confessed everything (with Daniele at his side) to...Jameka! They are officially a three person alliance now. Nick also made it clear that he wants to protect Amber as well, and I suspect he might tell her eveything at some point, though not today as she is still chained to Kail.
As for who Jen is going to nominate in Daniele's place: She seems to be on the fence between Joe and Nick. Joe is the logical choice since everyone wants him home. However, Jen is making her nominations on a personal level, and she wants to put Nick on the block just because it will hurt Daniele. (Did I mention that Jen is a huge bitch?)
Meanwhile, the rest of the house (sans the Mrs. Robinson alliance) want Jen to nominate ZACH...this probably won't happen though, because Zach has been sucking up to Jen ever since she won HoH and she is eating it up like the stupid bimbo she is.
Here's hoping she nominates Joe or Zach...I'm loving Nick and his new alliance right now. Loving them a lot. :P
Show uneasy about Nick and Joe? / Other
Am I overreacting to see a conspiracy in that?
Joe on the block
Wha?
Joe?
Loyal?
Are we watching the same show?
Not a single person in the house can believe a word he says because he has made an alliance with every single person in the house. He plans to get to the end by playing EVERYONE, and he's not a good enough liar (though lord knows he has the practice) to pull it off.
I was torn about who I wanted to go home in the event that Joe was nominated - Joe or Dick - but the minute he told Jessica he would FAKE making up with Dustin just to get some safety votes...I was more than ready to say goodbye. I hated when Jessica did that to Carol, and I'll be damned if Joe does that to Dustin. (Though I don't think I have to worry about that, since they had another fight tonight - no way will Dustin trust him ever again, let alone vote for him to stay)
The whole thing exploded
The whole thing exploded beyond recognition. I couldn't believe the words that were expressed between Dustin & Joe. Wow...
Anyway, between Dick & Joe, I, personally, would pick Dick over Joe to stay, just from watching everyone on the feeds and reading the online feed updates on BB fansites. Even though Dick has stated recently the past couple of days or so that he doesn't trust Dustin anymore, I still prefer Dick. Dick does trust Amber, but doesn't trust Dustin. Weird, eh?
However, when the non-Mrs. Robinson alliance gets HoH, they are definitely putting up Mike and Zach up....Kail may be backdoored. Daniele wants her backdoored badly.
Anyway, back to Joe, I have watched many of the feeds and read all the updates, and Joe does come across as supportive, but he's also very manipulative supportive. The thing is, as Dustin told someone, Joe (like Zach) is cornering himself with his own lies and can't get them straight anymore. Plus, Joe is getting annoying for the other houseguests. His survival in the game is like nil right now.
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
Joe vs. Dustin
I'm inclined to mostly believe Joe's side of the story after the hammock talk he and Dustin had last week. Dustin never denied cheating on Joe in that talk, when Joe explained how he knew and all Dustin's friends watched Dustin cheating for two weeks and that's why they all left Dustin. Joe seems right to me about Dustin being bitter, and I'm glad he took the opportunity to apologize to Dustin.
By the way, did anyone else watch all Joe's interviews after he left? He came across very well in my opinion. He said he wouldn't take back the gonorrhea mention because it helped spread awareness of STDs.
Joe only had one alliance
Despite lots of ideas at the beginning about the "original 11" or "the 6", by Week 2 Joe had settled down on only having one deal, one alliance, the Velvet Mafia, and he always remained loyal to it -- Jameka, Daniele, Nick, and Jessica. There have been a lot of rumors about Joe lying or making stuff up, but they are false. I feel like the houseguests are quick to believe them for some reason, while meanwhile there are much worse liars in their midst like Eric.
I challenge the Joe-haters here: please give an example of a Joe lie to a member of his own alliance.
Nick is going to vote Joe out even thogh he likes Joe, because he thinks Joe tried to get Jen to put Nick up, but Joe NEVER did that. Nick is misintepreting something that Jen told him. We saw on the live feeds Joe only ever tried to get Jen to put Dustin, then later Zach, up. Joe NEVER threw anyone under the bus.
This is a very sad situation, because Joe is going to leave for things he never did. Despite the false rumors about Joe, he was honest and loyal to the end, where others were less so. The house will be much more depressing without him.
Nick and Dustin
Dustin has been filling the void left by Joe in terms of being an outlet for some same-sex flirtatious fun for Nick. This is good for Nick as a distraction from his heavy emotions and complicated situation with Daniele. I now think Nick is straight (but comfortable with his sexuality, as described on the CBS show when they finally showed his top 5 guys list), rather than bi, but it's still cute to see this stuff. (Incidentally, moreso than Joe did, Dustin has also been acting as an ear for Nick for his situation with Daniele, and offering some advice. Cool cool.)
Some examples of Nick-Dustin flirtation from last night --
4 minutes into this video, all the stuff they do through the window: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO0rkN_ANl8
4 minutes into this video, Nick fondling Dustin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkXTADP2VNs
Nick could be evicted this week :(
From discussion on the live feeds, it looks likely that Dustin will be putting up Nick as a replacement nominee because everyone still thinks Nick is playing all sides (even though he isn't -- it's really Eric who's doing that and spreading lies about Nick).
Sad, yet somehow fitting, that Nick would vote Joe out because of an incorrect assumptin, and then Dustin causes Nick to leave because of an incorrect assumption.
I really really hope he's not evicted though.
On the "what's Nick's sexuality?" front, Dustin seems to be indicating that he thinks Nick is bi. He told Amber the other day that he thinks Nick is a "big flaming faggot, I don't care what Daniele says about his penis", lol.
Nick is also obsessed with Dustin's Mika CD, and is the only other houseguest besides Dustin who had heard of Mika (the "Grace Kelly"/"Love Today singer guy also of ambiguous sexuality).
Close vote
Looks like the vote could be close. Dani, Dick, and Zach want Nick to stay.
Nick has been annoying me a bit though lately by using sexist language when he talks with Dick ... Dick and his language have got to go and stop rubbing off on Nick, then hopefully Nick will stop being so annoying. Nick also called Dustin a "pussy" for the way Dustin didn't tell Nick that Nick would be put up, although Nick also said it was a ballsy move and undestood it was a group decision -- and later Nick said he liked Dustin and the game wouldn't affect what Nick thought personally, Dustin even finished Nick's mohawk, and they flirted a bit more.
In other Nick-related matters, as seen in the below video, he is consistent about wanting to keep in touch with Joe after leaving the house (yay, since I love Joe, don't like Dustin), continues to make homoerotic comments, and has said he is happy that it got out there that people think he might be gay. I am back now to thinking he is bisexual or wants to be thought of as bisexual, and not straight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsKF7uLkbU
Nick evicted, straight; more homophobia from Zach; Dustin hated
Monday night, Zach had an argument with Dustin (which is fine -- I don't like Dustin's arrogant attitude either), and then afterward when talking to Dick and Daniele about it he said, disparagingly, "I don't worry about it, because he's ... gay." As Dick said in response, "Oh boy, here comes the hate mail." And there SHOULD be hate mail for Zach. Argh.
In other matters, the whole house is irritated with Dustin because of his actions during last week's POV competition, taking prizes instead of going for the veto.
And in a post-eviction interview, Nick said he is definitely 100% straight and that never gave anybody a blow job -- but finds men attractive, and can say that because he is comfortable with his sexuality. Also, Joe was his favorite in the house, it was hard to vote Joe out, and he still hopes to hang out with Joe in future. I still respect Nick a lot.
This week the nominees are Eric and Kail. I hope Eric is evicted because he lies even beyond how much he needs to as America's Player, and he comes across really cocky in Diary Room sessions!
I'd prefer Kail to leave. I
I'd prefer Kail to leave. I don't trust her or Jen.
KC
Maintainer of Luke MacFarlane Fansite
EVIL DICK THE HOMOPHOBIC PSYCHO HAS CROSSED THE LINE.
For those who don't know what is going on in the "BB" House, not only did Evil Dicks plans to get Eric evicted go up in smoke but Jess won HOH and put Dani and Dick on the block. In true Evil Dick fashion he has gone on a major psychotic tantrum. He is hurling abusive, sexist and homophobic comments into the faces of the other house-guests. Where this concerns me most, dear brothers is his homophobic treatment of Dustin. I know this is a g-rated site so I cant write out everything he has said to him but I will try to clean it up. He is calling Dustin a fag, a C***sucker, he told him to perform oral sex on his toothbrush so that he ( Dustin) would like it better and he is calling him "Bleeding Ass". I truly feel that this has gone to far. Please email CBS and tell them if they are going to condone this behavior as entertainment please have the B**ls to put his behavior on the primetime show so the the entire country can see what they are condoning..sorry for the rant guys it just really got to me. If you want to see the wanker at work go to http://www.jokersupdates.com/ click on BB Media and find "Dick being a dick on a Rampage" or try to follow this link http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=BBMedia&Number=6466632&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=31&fpartHugs
Hugs to all
Cubear
Yeah, he has crossed the line.
They showed some of it on the primetime show, but no matter what they show, Evil Dick has his army of defenders. It's very disturbing. They excuse it by just saying he was doing it for his daughter to get himself evicted, or by saying he has a softer side.
I think we need to get more worked up about this, but instead it's all just sliding by.