Why Did "Out" Pick Now to Air Dispute With Adam Lambert?And I find Hicklin's backstabbing of Lambert to be especially dismaying — and either slightly disingenuous or uniformed. After all, Lambert did do the Out cover and gave an interview that by all accounts is remarkably refreshing and candid. To include an Editor's Letter criticizing him in the same issue not only seems akin to inviting someone to dinner and hitting them in the face with a cream pie at the end, but frankly, also seems suspicious.
And if Hicklin or Out reporter Shana Naomi Krochmal really were bothered by the conditions Lambert's management placed on their interview, why didn't they pass? Lord knows I've had to do that. Krochmal released a letter stating how shocked she was that as the publicist took her to meet with Adam that the she requested the interview not be "too gay" or "gay-gay" or to be political. As she should have, Krochmal made no promises as to what she would or wouldn't ask. But having been in this situation myself — both with straight and gay celebrities — I find all of this amazement over a publicist trying to shape a story to be rather disingenuous. As for Lambert not doing the cover of Out while on Idol, I also tried to do an interview with Adam at that time and was told that once the audition episodes were over, none of the contestants could do individual interviews until after the finale. Why? So as to not give any one contestant more exposure — and possibly more votes — than another contestant. Either Hicklin didn't know this or decided not to mention it in his letter. I would have been much more comfortable with Out's actions had they covered the topic in next month's issue, say, in a cover story about how often management of gay talent does work to keep their clients closeted — sometimes with the talent's consent. That's a topic worth discussing (and we have here), but bringing it up now and making it seem unique to Adam Lambert seems unfair at best.
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I'm happy to read another
I'm happy to read another journalist's take on the EIC's letter. I found it very unprofessional. It isn't that they raised the issue about management being homophobic. This is an issue that should be raised. I have an issue with the way they did it. They got Adam to do a very candid interview and yet the printed magazine was insubstantial as compared to the online version and had that EIC letter as well.
I find this last question and reply from Adam pretty depressing as a fan of his in light of this whole issue:
Out: What else do you want to talk about?
Adam: I don’t know. [Long pause.] My job is to make this look easy and fun. That’s the illusion, the vibe I’m trying to create for people to feel. That’s what I want to do as an entertainer, create a mood that rubs off on people. This is scary, and it is a lot of work. And I’m OK, I’ll be fine. But, wow, this is a lot. And I hope that people are compassionate about that. I took a chance, stepped my life up a little, have some opportunities, have a little money, and I’m doing the best I can. I’m doing the best I fucking can, you know?
Yes yes yes!!!!
Thank you so much Michael!
and once again....
this proves my point.
no...satisfaction...ever
i think the handlers were idiots and the editor/magazine is an idiot.
so adam is asked to do a photoshoot
"dont make him too gay"
OUT could've said "ok, forget the photoshoot..."..OR his handlers could've refused if they were so uncomfortable with it
I don't think adam really had any say in this and that, to me, is wrong. his handlers should've voiced their concern to Adam himself (maybe they did..) and then leave adam to decide if he wanted to be a part of it
so insane, i swear.
OUT 100
It sounds to me like OUT magazine is trying desperately to sell a few more magazines.
What better way to get people talking about your magazine than throwing your cover artist under the bus in the same issue.
I am not a regular reader of OUT but I usually pick up the OUT 100 issue every year.
This year I'm keeping my money in my wallet.
I'm a little bit tired
of bitchy comments about Adam on gay sites. The guy is a singer, and of course not everybody must like his music, but i don't understand why some people can't give him a break.
There's no mainstream gay singer in the USA. There's a lot of good gay singers, but no one of them have massive sales. I don't know if Adam will become a star or he'll be a faliure, but if he became a star is not with the help of the gay comunity.
Some people ask constantly why singers and actors stay closeted, and i think the gay media (of course not all gay madia) reaction to Adam is quite the explanation. If you came out of the closet, you'll be critizise by conservative media and probably backstabbing by gay media too.
I really like this article because it says exactly what i think
Did you read the article? Or the comments...
Yes i read it
What i wrote is what i feel about some reactions on gay websites, not related to the article.
You don't need to address anything, there must be quite boring that all your interviews must be surrounded your sexuality if you don't want to labbeled to be come back to the closet. Sorry but i find it boring, he is a singer, his prioritiy must be his music and not give explanations about his sexuality.
And i find absurd some positions on gay press, you like Adam's music or not, in my opinion the out editors letter and queerty article are not too much different of what Perez Hilton do, using somebody famous to their own benefit
jjose...
Er
Did you actually read the interview on OUT & reporter`s update on what actually happened on that day?
I briefly met Adam, and then the publicist and I walked out to the balcony, at which point I was cautioned against making the interview "too gay," or, "you know, gay-gay." Specifically I was discouraged from asking about the March on Washington that upcoming weekend or other political topics. I pointed out the difference between the Advocate, Out's sister newsmagazine, and Out, which is more broadly a men's fashion and lifestyle book, but obviously made no promises one way or the other. It was pretty awkward, as if we were discussing two totally different people -- an Adam who doesn't seem to have any real filter when talking about his life or his opinions, and an Adam who could somehow be contained, made safe for mainstream America.
When Adam joined us, the publicist left, and Adam and I sat down for a little over an hour on our own. You can read a transcript of Part One here and Part Two here. (It was very lightly edited, mostly to remove blathering set-up for questions on my part or redundant or vague discussion of an album that, in early October, didn't even contain a track listing.) He clearly has no trouble expressing himself on any issue, be it political, cultural, sexual or musical.
http://www.popnography.com/2009/11/an-open-letter-regarding-an-open-letter-to-adam-lambert.html
Yes, whitetee, I read it all...
That's not the issue
The problem is that after every interview he is labbeled as too gay or too little gay. He is quite honest about his sexuality, and i'm sorry but i never believe that celebrities has to give us an explanation about his sexuality. He decides to come out, and in my opinion that's great (the fact that i don't believe that come out is mandatory doesn't mean that i don't appreciate the celebrities who have guts to do it), but for some people that's not enough. Adam only represent himself, what he do or don't affect him and his career, but don't represent the rest of the gay community. He is a singer, not a polititian.
He is being insulted by bigots (this year, AI website did a lot of work deleting hating messages), but without recieving the support of the gay community either. Come on, he was critizise for not coming out after the show (that would be incredibly classless, because it'll be stealing Kriss limelight, and Kris is his friend)
He has the gay community's support...
Ehh, I imagine NPH would beg to differ.
He doesn't suffer from constant gay media sniping. Ditto Ian McKellen.
I don't agree with the treatment Lambert receives on the gay blogs but he is a polarising figure a la Lady GaGa. Provocation is a big part of ther acts, and that tends to bring out love/hate reactions.
I do think a lot of people are tring to put extra weight on his shoulders, as evidenced by Hicklin's "don't let us down"-type comments, but from what I've read, Hicklin has been receiving more ire from gay blog commenters.
NPH...
If OUT just wanted headlines...
I fear I must disagree.
As has already been said, Adam Lambert inspires the old phrase "love it or hate it". OUT really did do the most self-serving thing possible here by both promoting him and berating him in a single issue. If they had done as you suggested they would have shut the door on all of the Pro-Lambert readers out there, and trust me, they are legion.
Journalistic Integrity
More and more I'm feeling that AfterElton.com is the only gay entertainment news source with any sort of journalistic integrity. First The Advocate went down the toilet (I stopped subscribing or even reading it years ago), it seems like almost every other gay site exists solely to out celebrities and criticize the ones that are already out, and now OUT pulls this disgusting stunt. As someone said above, it's one more example of how the gay community never seems to be satisfied unless we're cannibalizing our own.
It just makes me all the more proud that I write for a site like AE that actually has true integrity. That integrity stems from our fantastic editor, Michael. I believe every writer who works for AE believes in these values or we wouldn't be writing for the site, but it was Michael who shaped and made the site what it is today...and that's largely because of his morals and integrity. Celebrities and other news sites respect and trust us because of what we stand for. And yet, more often than not, Michael gets attacked for that very integrity. Thanks for writing about this, Michael, and thank you for always calling out those who pull this sort of crap, and for holding us all to a higher standard.
Agreed
I endorse this statement in its entirety.
Oops. Need to learn how to use the rate system. Sorry about the accidental 0. :(
You can change
Advocate & Out do lots of good work
I think part of refraining from cannibalizing ourselves is acknowledging how hard it is to do good work and stay afloat. There's some really good reporting that the Advocate does. Did you see the recent article where Michael Joseph Gross (sp?) went to a military base and asked actual soldiers what they thought of don't ask don't tell? And their site does some really good and important political reporting. It's not a perfect world, Southern Voice/Washington Blade just went under. And we need to aknowledge the good work that is being done by these publications. Below I stood up for Adam. But I'm sure it's frustrating for Aaron Hicklin a great deal of the time.
Adam rocks. And I wish more people would be out like him.
Does the good work outweigh the bad?
I'm not denying that some good journalism might slip through the cracks now and then of these magazines, but The Advocate has fallen a long way from what it used to be once upon a time. They do much less political and serious journalism these days, and too often, at least in my opinion, what they have done has been almost homophobic at times. They've definitely taken a huge step to the Right in recent years. My last straw was the article blaming Lawrence King for his own murder. I lost all respect for the magazine at that point. They've just continued to drive it into the ground since then, and now I understand it's going from a magazine to an insert in Out. Truly a sad end to a once great, hard-hitting news source. If anyone cannibalized The Advocate, they cannibalized themselves.
Out is what it is. I've never had much interest in it or opinion on it one way or the other (although I thought their glass closet/outing issue was crass and little better than a glorified Perez Hilton piece), but I just really think they took this way too far. It was extremely unprofessional of the editor, at least in my opinion, and Michael was quite right to call him out on it.
All Michael's opinions here make perfect sense...
.. I just sometimes don't understand the hostility towards Out/Advocate. I haven't read alot of the Advocate, but I do read their website alot and find it helpful. And I guess my opinion is in part because last year I picked up the copy with Thomas Roberts on the cover - And it was an amazing issue. The article on Roberts and tv newspeople was great. There was a sensational article with Christian ex-gays and ex-ex-gays which was the best I've ever seen on the topic. They had a great interview with out mystery writer Patricia Cornwell. And there were interviews with young gays and lesbians ... I just remember reading it from cover to cover and being amazed. It may have been an anomaly. And it is very, very sad if it indeed is to be a mere insert in Out.
And, dude. ...I actually loved the glass closet cover.
And - Michael Jensen does deserve an integrity award. And he and Hicklin and all these other people who helm gay journalism are basically working for a still marginalized minority. And it takes a steamroller's worth of determination and a thick skin to push through for all those people.
Now let's hug it out..... :)
Adam Lambert, 19E and the Out Magazine Editor
If the editor of Out Magazine is so offended by what 19E said to them about Adam Lambert and he is actually holding Adam responsible for his management's comments, why not simply cancel the interview and refuse to put Adam Lambert in that issue on principal?
Wouldn't that have been the ethical and honorable thing to do.
Then he could use his letter as an explanation as to why he chose not to include Adam Lambert in the Out 100 and not seem like he was talking out of both sides of his mouth.
I'm not sure what his point is. Whether he likes it or not, blasting Adam's management in the same issue where he has a feature interview with Adam Lambert is bound to conflate the two things in the eyes of the viewers.
Michael Musto has already piled on with his 2 cents.
So either he's holding Adam responsible for 19E's homophobia (in which case all the complements he gave Adam in the feature are a lie) or he's NOT holding Adam responsible for 19E's homophobia in which case he should have posted the letter at a separate time and at the very least have given Adam an opportunity to formally respond to his claims about 19E.
I don't get why so many in the gay media seem to want to find reasons to shove Adam Lambert in the closet when they should be celebrating the fact that he came out in Rolling Stone and has stayed true to himself before and since.
This is the same man who stated repeatedly that he wanted to know why men weren't throwing jock straps on stage to accompany the bras and panties women were throwing.
The Out 100 article with Adam itself is so explicit and honest and Gay, Gay, Gay, the idea that Adam Lambert is anything other than out and pride seems ridiculous.
Folks are working overtime to try to prove that Adam Lambert is not really gay or not gay enough or is closeted or wants folks to think he's straight. None of it makes any sense to me.
Adam has a contract with 19E connected to his participation on American Idol and he is STILL under that contract. I don't even know if he has the power to fire his handlers or even if he hired them to begin with.
But unless Out magazine gives Adam an opportunity to respond to the claims, just leaving it out there as if he condones what the 19E handlers said seems irresponsible and mean-spirited to me.
I applaud them shining a light on 19E's homophobia, but I'm certain there were like 87 other ways to do so what wouldn't have made the editor of Out seem like a hypocrite or make Adam Lambert seem like some scaredy-cat closet case.
Does anyone here who's been following Adam's career since Idol REALLY believe he's worried about appearing TOO gay?
So very well said
I can`t believe that many folks out there are (purposely?) confusing what the publicist, the management, and the record company, etc. wanted and did, with Adam himself`s actual opinion. A lot of the times the artist didn`t have that much of a say in some of the decisions. Especially for relatively newcomers in the music industry. For the AI contestants it must be even more tricky since they probably signed a contract with a lot of very strict rules.
I don`t even think Adam has the power to fire the publicist if he wanted to.
Spot-on assessment,
OUT begging for publicity
It just breaks my heart
when Adam let his guard down and gave some really honest answers in the actual interview, and on certain other gay websites most of the people who left comments wouldn`t even bother to get the the actual facts right and were just plain nasty.
The two-part interview. Please at least read the whole thing first before criticize him.
http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=26191
http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=26192
Adam
he’s nearly 30...
... he’s nearly 30 and starts now to get bi-curious, really!? I don’t believe it...
Let's leave Adam out of this for the time being..
For some people, sexuality is a fluid thing.
I have a friend who only just came out recently. In his fifties. He went through much of his 20s and 30s believing that he was straight. His feelings changed/evolved as he got older. He now identifies as a gay man. Does this now mean that his sexual orientation is any less valid than, say someone who figured out they were queer when they were 5? No. It does not.
Different situation
Sorry, but this is a total different situation. Your friend lived as a straight man (although he was already gay than) because it’s the norm, he repressed his true feeling or never really thought about why he may feels different until he let himself discover his true self. But if you identify as gay, you’ve spent a lot of time analyzing yourself truly and you think long and hard before you come out since it’s not the norm. If there’s any doubt you’re in fact gay you won’t do it and there’s no reason to repress straight feelings. Sorry I really suck at expressing my opinion but I hope you get what I mean.
As for Adam, I think it’s highly suspicious that he discovered his bi-curiosity just when thousands of female fans go gaga over him. He lived for 8years in LA in the theater community, went to crazy clubs and burning man where tons of pretty and willing girls are partying and he never had sex with one? I really don’t believe it and it annoys me that I have to read it in nearly every interview, since I don’t think it’s necessary, women love him anyway. But if he think he’ll get more fans that way, I’m ok with that as long as it helps him release more music, but I can still complain about it :)
Stop making gross assumptions
You assume the 50 yr old was always gay and was just in denial. Don't be so disrespectful of individuals or the guy, you know, who actually *knows* this friend.
The comment you made reminds me of those who insist bisexuals are gays who are just in denial.
Re: assumptions
IslandOfTheSea said himself his friend believed to be straight. To me this means he wasn’t actually straight and since I don’t believe you can suddenly turn gay, yes I think he was in denial.
I’m bisexual myself and that’s probably why Adam annoys me so much. He’s like the actresses and singers who say they’re bisexual to seem edgy and cool but are straight in real life. Beside Adam said in this interview he wants to be like Bowie just the other way around – meaning he wants people to speculate about his sexuality. I think this is just unnecessary.Adam's honesty
Well, I guess it does come down to whether you believe Adam is being completely candid and forthright in his interviews or not.
After reading his various in-depth interviews, I personally believe he is honest to a fault. At times, he's so honest that the phrase "too much information" might apply. I'm not Adam so who am I to say he can't be bi-curious at his age?
Re: Adam's honesty
I'll cop to 28. And to make
I'll cop to 28. And to make me a huge cliche, it was because of Xena. I mean yeah, looking back I was pretty much always bi/bi curious, but I didn't know that I was until I was 28. I didn't associate my fascination with certain girls as a crush until I did know and then it was like 'well, of course' And I'm not someone who was sheltered or not in touch with my sexuality, but bi has a bad rep and that probably influenced the way I though of it--so basically there was only gay or straight, and I knew I wasn't gay.
okay that was probably TMI, but it can happen and sadly when it does, you do kinda want to yap about it. I was estatic to find someone I could talk to about it.
What exactly is "too gay?"
I'm fascinated by the publicist's request that the interview not be too gay. What exactly is "too gay?" I'm glad the publicist was called out. I don't care if it's unethical or opportunistic. This kind of b.s. needs to stop. There have been numerous times on this site when a publicist has been quoted as saying a performer was straight when that was not the truth. MY cousin sent me a link to an article where a soap star came out in an interview, but a publicist for a film he was in claimed (in an askthemonkey column) that he was straight. She's more outraged than I am because I expect such deception.
Reading the comments from the editor and the writer, I never got the impression they were attacking Lambert personally. They were going after the publicist, and, by implication, Lambert for allowing such behaviour.
Well
What we need is more gay positive gay media.
Chinese Sarcasm
Many Chinese sayings are sarcastic, and no doubt this is one of them because tigers are known to eat their own cubs. Ask your local zoo. You got to love a billion people who don't really get along coming up with some really sarcastic sayings. :P
(remember China is historically notorious for killing babies above and beyond the 1 child per couple rule [or beyond the 2-3 children rule for rural couples], particularly female babies. China has intentionally murdered more offspring than any other country in the history of the planet).
Well
Baroque Silliness From "Out"
Thank you so much for this
Thank you so much for this commentary. This letter was such a backstabbing peice of trash. Yes, it sounds like the 19 publicist was crass, rude and homophobic in their phrasing. But if you read the blog entry the author of the interview posted trying to defend the letter, she shares more information that makes it clear that by "too gay" they meant "don't make him into a political figure". This is something Adam himself said he didn't want to be in the interview. I am firmly of the opinion that that is why Hicklin addressed this letter to Adam. He is calling out Adam, trying to force him to be a political figure. Well, if I were Adam, my response would be: "Dear Aaron, You can suck my big gay cock. Love you not, Adam"
The only thing that makes me feel better about this is that the huge sales surge that they would have gotten from Adam appearing in their issue will likely not happen as his fans, which will usually buy anything that has a new picture of him, are boycotting the issue.
How nice
How nice to see the outrage over the way Adam's management is treating Adam behind his back, but I can't help remembering that Clay Aiken was a victim of the same managers nearly a decade ago when Idol was much more openly homophobic.
Adam benefitted from the mistakes 19 made by keeping Clay in the closet. The fact that Clay came out the minute his contract expired is proof enough for me to know what he was up against.
There's some big differences
Clay wasn't out even to his family when he was in idol. He was in a very tough situation, because he denied being gay, and specially because his fans were very conservative.
Adam's fans are really supportive of him, he has a huge straight female following but they are very aware that he is gay, even long before he officially came out,
This part is also true of
This part is also true of Clay's fans
"Adam's fans are really supportive of him, he has a huge straight female following but they are very aware that he is gay, even long before he officially came out,"
He did lose his conservative fans but he also kept a huge number of supportive fans who either always suspected, didn't care either way or were willing to adjust their perceptions about him.
Adam is a total hero...
... typical clueless publicist behavior. This is the team you sign a contract to end up with when you enter AI.
Adam's out. He's been out from the beginning. How much more radical do you need to be? And in fact he has been radical. And that shoot with that woman was very rock and roll for a very out gay star to do. It's also in part a comment on the fact that gay stars can play to straight women just as well as straight or closeted stars.
And Michael and Brent have made all these points much better and very consistently here on the site.
Adam is out. And that's exponentially more than the vast majority of them other big-time gay celebrities. If you want the 'out' thing done differently: Get famous and do it yourself.
WHAT A D*CK!!!!!!!!!!
Usually, I'm better at articulating my point of view, but for some reason this was all that entered my mind.
I proudly went to 3 different stores before I finally found one that wasn't sold out of the Rolling Stone issue with Adam's coming out interview. I am proud to say, it was the FIRST copy of RS that I have ever bought in my life. I will NOT be buying this issue of OUT. Adam deserves better than this.
Kitty
This is not what we planned, and I know its hard to understand....but if this isn't what you need then pry my fingers from your hand. ~Darren Hayes
Mr. Jensen, thank you for
Bothered
Im bothered by a couple of things here.
I think the editor was right to critizise Adams handlers on this, I was really annoyed of their requests to "adress" his sexuality. A ridiculous notion considering this is gay media , he is out and showing it and he is probably putting his album with one of the gayest covers ever, among other things. I mean, what is a "too gay" interview anyway?
What really bothers me about this is the timing and the delivery, even if the letter denounces his handlers this affects Adam directly and at a critical time. It does seem like OUT is trying to call attention to themselves when print media in general, and gay media in particular, is folding fast. This is a very underhanded move.
Everyone would have been better served by voicing his opinion in another time and matter.