"Nip/Tuck"'s Gay ParadoxBut is there any truth to the accusations that the show is anti-gay? From the start, Nip/Tuck was a show about appearances, about image, and about how what’s underneath does not necessarily match what’s outside. "At the heart of it, the show is about why people hate themselves and how they are put in a box by others and by themselves," Murphy told The Advocate. "Gay people can certainly relate to that in the looks classism that exists." Nip/Tuck creator Ryan Murphy, Julian McMahon, and Dylan Walsh
Seen this way, the Freddy Prune character might be perfectly in sync with the theme of the show, despite Oliver Platt’s affected performance (though it does seem like it might have been objectively more interesting, rather than have a man discover he’s gay by being digitally raped, to have an effeminate man who always assumed he was gay because everyone told him he is, discover that he is, in fact, heterosexual). It’s All Ironic Don’t take Nip/Tuck so seriously, its defenders say. It’s camp or irony — or both. "If you don't get it, you don't get it," Plotnick said. But if a show as deliberately provocative as Nip/Tuck can’t be considered offensive, can anything ever be? Maybe not, but that just might be a consequence of living in our age of media-overload and omnipresent irony. As for stereotypes, Nip/Tuck isn’t promulgating them; it’s parodying them. That’s the argument anyway, which is more or less convincing depending on the episode in question. It is a show about image, after all. Anyway, the characters on Nip/Tuck are far from the only gay people on TV these days. “If any of these [negative gay Nip/Tuck characters] were on TV fifteen or twenty years ago, we’d be having a different conversation,” GLAAD’s Romine said. “We’re in a different universe now.” He’s right. Unlike, say, 1977’s Soap, this show exists in a “post-gay” world. We really are everywhere, even in the screwed up, over-the-top world of Nip/Tuck. In other words, maybe it’s a sign of true equality at last — and a sign of the show's brilliant subversiveness — that the gay characters on Nip/Tuck are exactly as ugly as the straight ones. Submitted by on Tue, 2008-02-19 01:51. |
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I've tried watching this show a couple of times, and then something always happens to make me turn away in horror. The first time it was Matt (John Hensley's character, who is a dead ringer for Michael Jackson) beating up a transsexual. The second time it was Julian McMahon (who fits just about every one of Hollywood's gay sterotypes) beating up the gay-for-pay guy from the Richard Chamberlin story arc. Both scenes were so graphic as to make me physically ill. It reminded me of the revulsion I felt when Jared Leto beats up Christian Slater (who later turns out to be his father) in that movie I can't name ("Basil"?). Or when Jared Leto himself is nearly beaten to death in "Fight Club." Why does Hollywood insist that the only way to deal with ambivalence is to beat the crap out of somebody? "Nip/Tuck" is more than a guilty pleasure; it's quite often a hate-filled, ugly one.I agree with you
Misogyny's Probably Become the Worst Thing On the Show.
Yeah, we hear that "Nip/Tuck" parodies eveybody spiel from the show a lot. Except certain groups sure come in as the target for the show's venom a lot more than others.
Women, for instance. A few episodes ago, for example, we had, on one episode alone, a psychotic woman who was biting children, a psychotic woman who kills people and stuffs them like teddy bears, and a woman who partially cannibalized her husband. Meanwhile this season, we have recurring characters of the psychotic 18 year old Eden, a vindictive slut; the sometimes psychotic AIDS survivor Gina whose funeral graphically celebrated what a slut she'd been; Kimber, slutting it up once again as a porn star (anyone sensing a trend?); the selfish, fickle Julia who played with being a lesbian but now cheats on her female partner with her husband's best friend; etc.
Any of these storylines taken alone might be funny or comically over-the-top, but mixed together (and presented as relentlessly as the show has in its last few seasons) they start to seem like real misogyny. I know camp, and camp isn't as constantly ugly as what this show's been handing us recently.
No, on the more recent seasons of Nip/Tuck, straight men are NOT presented by any means nearly as often as psychotic or objects of ridicule as much as straight women or gay men. Note on the episode mentioned above that Christian protects his son from the evil biting lady; Sean is the unwary potential victim of the evil teddy-bear murdering woman; and Sean shows disgust at the cannibalizing woman's admission. The men here serve as either victims of psychotic women or as close to "the moral voice" as this show gets. Elsewhere this season, Sean nobly and unwittingly tries several times to protect the evil Eden despite his attraction to her; Kimber abandoins the meth-addicted Matt to run off with her porn industry Sugar Daddy, while Matt reforms with the help of a woman who's nothing short of a saint (the saint always being the misogynist's flip side of the slut); Christian wrestles with the moral decision about how to tell his son about Gina's death in a fantasy scene where the (male) toddler calls his mother a "skank;" etc.
Sean and Christian both have their own bad behaviors, but it's always tempered with various struggles with their moral compasses, usually ending up portraying them in a sympathetic light (often these struggles are caused by the crazy and conniving women in their lives). It would be nice if Nip/Tuck offered any of the female characters anywhere near this level of compassion. It doesn't. Julia, Gina, and Kimber used to be more rounded, actualized characters in seasons one and two, but those days are long gone.
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Women, for instance. A few episodes ago, for example, we had, on one episode alone, a psychotic woman who was biting children, a psychotic woman who kills people and stuffs them like teddy bears, and a woman who partially cannibalized her husband. Meanwhile this season, we have recurring characters of the psychotic 18 year old Eden, a vindictive slut; the sometimes psychotic AIDS survivor Gina whose funeral graphically celebrated what a slut she'd been; Kimber, slutting it up once again as a porn star (anyone sensing a trend?); the selfish, fickle Julia who played with being a lesbian but now cheats on her female partner with her husband's best friend; etc."
^ how interesting. i mean, i watch the show...but i never took notice that the women are portrayed more in a bad light than the men.
I don't disagree that the
I don't disagree that the show flirts with mysogeny. Sometimes that disturbs me, or is at least really unsettling to watch. But I'm not sure I agree that show has been worse on women than men this season. Eden is a horrible stereotype, but Julie and Oliva have been portrayed semi-sympathetically, as has Liz. Dawn Budge is always interesting and complicated. And has Matt really been portrayed better than Kimber? I mean, the show is now saying he has no personality and no identity whatsoever. And if you're taking the show to task fo presenting some female characters as being TOO positive, well, aren't you trying to have it both ways? Julia isn't sympathetic because she's too fickle, while the burn survivor isn't sympathetic because she's too saintly?
Christian never ever seems sympathetic to me. The whole character is beyond an anti-hero; he's a ridiculous joke, and the joke is laughing AT him, not with him. I see that character as the show's best argument AGAINST charges of mysogeny.
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I've been a fan of Nip/Tuck since I first started watching in season 3, and I've never seen the famed 'better' seasons 1 and 2. I've always said that the show isn't anti-gay or misogynistic, it's misanthropic. Ryan Murphy seems to hate everybody. I love their campy, over the top, do anything to anything attitude-for example,I loved the season finale and if that had happend on any other show I watch I'd have been pissed. But at the same time, while he makes his characters mean, selfish, vain, psychotic etc...it's not randomly so. Brent you're absolutely correct in that there is always more than just the surface. With a few exceptions for one shot characters we know the issues that lead to this behavior. Yeah, Eden is a psychotic bitch, but we're also shown what influences that. Rachel might be 'saintly' but it was earned. Gina's funeral celebrating her sluttiness ended somberly with the guy who gave her Aids speaking.
I can certainly understand why a lot of people don't like it and can't watch it, but I'd pick it over the distasteful ladies of Wisteria lane or the really distasteful 'real' people on Survivor and indeed most reality shows these days in a heartbeat.
Seriously?
"[Anyway, the characters on Nip/Tuck are far from the only gay people on TV these days. “If any of these [negative gay Nip/Tuck characters] were on TV fifteen or twenty years ago, we’d be having a different conversation,” GLAAD’s Romine said. “We’re in a different universe now.”]"
I'm probably wrong... But is this really saying "It's okay to act like it's the 80's, simply because it isn't?"I don't get it. I used to like the show. But then it got waaaay too heavy for me to care.
In it's run I'm pretty sure I can only recall a single instance of a gay character being shown in anything close to a positive light; a character who shot his "girlfriend" in the face while fulfilling a suicide pact although she couldn't pull the trigger because she loved him too much. She survived, disfigured, and he left her for another man. She later shot him after he told her he planned to commit to his boyfriend.